Ximian Gnome on Gentoo?

Kaypro · n00b Joined: 22 Jun 2002 Posts: 11

Asking for forgiveness in advance if the following is an insane notion:

Is their a way to install the Ximian version of Gnome on a Gentoo system? Ximian's site seems to support a limited number of distributions, must a user switch to that distribution in order to use Ximian Gnome?

pjp · Administrator Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067

I'm not sure if you can install Ximian Gnome on a Gentoo system. May we know
why you would like to install the Ximian version? I only ask because the ebuild
to install Gnome is pretty good.
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Kaypro · n00b Joined: 22 Jun 2002 Posts: 11

I personally use the ebuild and it's just fine, however some associates of mine benefit greatly from RedCarpet (Ximian's update utility) and I must admit, given their limited technical abilities, updating their system via RedCarpet would go a long ways in slowly incorporating more Linux systems for everyday work. It's just that I'd hate to switch to RedHat or Mandrake simply for that one advantage. I'm guessing obtaining the Ximian sources would be my only option?

pjp · Administrator Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067

pjp · Administrator Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067

Here's a link that might help. Or maybe not. You might do a search in the forums for Ximian.
I do think it has been addressed more than once.
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Kaypro · n00b Joined: 22 Jun 2002 Posts: 11

Kaypro · n00b Joined: 22 Jun 2002 Posts: 11

Found a solution thanks to kanuslupus' link:

pjp · Administrator Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067

Be careful though. Anything Red Carpet installs, portage will not know about.
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Kaypro · n00b Joined: 22 Jun 2002 Posts: 11

BLASTER_ · Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2002 12:41 am Post subject:

yeah I tried that, its kinda a mess..

I also tried rebuilding the src.rpm's using rpm, and this dident really work. missing graphics, and compile errors.

patching gentoo's source with ximians patches and trying it with portage taken from the src.rpm's for redhat 7.3 and parts of it were missing the ximian graphics. witch are a little difrent than the standard Gnome ones.. buttons etc

I like Ximian because the menus are cleaner, and the application icons are better, and there are small simple nice things like being able to delete the drag bar from the tasklist. red-carpet is a dangerous addon.

I know.. a lot of work to go through to get everything just "perfect" but..

I think that there are two ways to get Ximian in Gentoo.. hound Ximian's team to support portage. (this they could do rather easialy but.. but im sure they don't have the manpower for this *yet* with Gnome 2 and the HP-UX/Slowrius builds.)

or create ebuild's to patch Gentoo's standard Gnome source with Ximian's patches and png's (this keeps it current with Gentoo but... Gentoo is using Gnome 2 now, even though, at least on my system its compleetly br0k'ed with no fix in sight, I still like Gnome 1.4 better)

BLASTER_ · Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2002 12:44 am Post subject:

think ill buy one-o-dem Ximian hats.

yep.

SlCKB0Y · Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2002 3:53 am Post subject:

why the hell would u want to use ximian gnome? and if you do need to use ximian gnome so badly, maybe install another distro for the people at work or something....if you are going to do it, try and make sure you take both gtk and gnome out of your USE variable, or else you will definately break stuff...

BLASTER_ · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 9:59 am Post subject:

I dont need to, I want to.

Why do I want to?

Why do I want to use a OS thats free to configure any way I want? Why Linux? Why Gentoo Linux? ;) I think its better and Im the one in control here.. so.. thats why I spent 3 weeks trying to hack Ximian on to it.. I thought it would look nice and I thought if I did it I could help other people do it.

Ximian is the reason I still have Debian Potato on my laptop. if I could do it in Gentoo I would. I just dont think its possable right now.. maybe after Ximian goes to Gnome 2 ill try agin.

(me-thinks its partly insanity too)

ghetto · Guru Joined: 10 Jul 2002 Posts: 369 Location: BC, Canada

dang.. and i was just gettin all worked up and ready to try to do this myself then i come here and see that you've apparently tried it already.. shesh

Sivar · Apprentice Joined: 25 May 2002 Posts: 266 Location: USA

Just emerge KPortageMaster and use that to do your updates and software installs. It's easier to use (in my opinion) than Red Carpet and produces optimized binaries for your system (far more slowly than just using pre-canned downloads though, because you have to wait to compile everything)
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infox · n00b Joined: 14 Sep 2002 Posts: 14

dont count on it, people have been hounding the ximian team since it came out for support for other distros such as slackware but as you can tell they still do not even support slack. You can however get around this and be able to install ximian but red carpet will barely work if it even works at all.

crevette · Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2002 1:42 pm Post subject: patches from Ximian

I know that is possible to dowload the patches from Ximian from the website.

If Somebody wants to make a specific version of gnome....
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kraylus · l33t Joined: 07 Jun 2002 Posts: 648 Location: ft.worth.tx

ximian will probably never be supported on slack, gentoo, etc.

here's why:

http://primates.ximian.com/~aaron/work/slack.html

gentoo especially. i mean really... why the hell would you need "red carpet" when you've got portage.
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crevette · Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2002 3:09 pm Post subject: A Question

What Ximian adds to the Gnome sources, bugfixes, Features????

I used Ximian Gnome on my previous RH 7.2 but I didn't saw the difference
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BLASTER_ · Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2002 5:35 pm Post subject:

pjp · Administrator Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067

Ximian uses RPM, Gentoo uses Portage.
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Sam · n00b Joined: 08 Dec 2002 Posts: 16

YOU WANT Ximian-gnome because Ximian gnome has some bugfixes to standard gnome, especially gtk+ 1.2. It looks like these fixes may never make it back into gtk/standard-gnome.

One of these bugs shows up in GQview.

What happens is, say you have an icon view of 1000 images (just a big graphical canvas with 1000 thumbnails on it). You click on a thumbnail and it gets enlarged in the image view. Sometimes when you click (this is the bug) the icon view automagically pops to the bottom (it's not supposed to, it should stay on the current screen).

This bug does not exist on ximian-gnome installs. There's a couple of other small bugs here and there that have been fixed, just that one sticks out in my mind because GQview is my favourite app (that's why I keep using it despite the bug) and I trigger this bug a lot.
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pjp · Administrator Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067

Any idea why the bugfixes might not make it into the official Gnome?
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Sam · n00b Joined: 08 Dec 2002 Posts: 16

AFAICT the core gnome developers are not actively working on the 1.2 branch.

1.2.10 was probably the last (official, standard) 1.2 branch release of gtk+

Everyone is concentrating on gtk+ 2.

And if they did release 1.2.10 they'd have to allocate time and resources to find bugs introduced by the bugfixes, you know, all the time consuming administrivia a new release requires.
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