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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:16 am    Post subject: Anyone Try X Server 1.8 Yet? Reply with quote

What's the religion on this release? I heard HAL was disappearing and that udev is in. What does this mean for autoconfiguration and evdev?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone Try X Server 1.8 Yet? Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
What's the religion on this release? I heard HAL was disappearing and that udev is in. What does this mean for autoconfiguration and evdev?

Autoconfiguration works like before. But if you need to set something up manually, it's back to xorg.conf instead of writing HAL fdi files: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Input_device_configuration
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Humph!

I wish they'd make their mind up!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Humph!

I wish they'd make their mind up!

:roll:


I wish they'd get rid of the black magic. Using xorg.conf (or previous incarnations like xf86config) is a pain in the neck, but it's all there in somewhat obscure plain text. When I've seen stuff fixed with HAL, it's always looked like "You gotta know the answer to get the answer." Perfectly obvious in hindsight, but how the heck did you get there?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

depontius wrote:
Herring42 wrote:
Humph!

I wish they'd make their mind up!

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I wish they'd get rid of the black magic. Using xorg.conf (or previous incarnations like xf86config) is a pain in the neck, but it's all there in somewhat obscure plain text. When I've seen stuff fixed with HAL, it's always looked like "You gotta know the answer to get the answer." Perfectly obvious in hindsight, but how the heck did you get there?

I actually started to like HAL FDIs. They allowed for some really flexible device matching.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you serious?!? After all that change moving things to hal, they are scrapping it!?! I sound upset, but I'm actually just surprised. Personally I don't care what they really do, as long as it makes device auto-configuration easy. I really found the hal approach to be of an advantage to the old manual configuration, since most things just worked without any setup. Hopefully the same will be true of a native udev approach.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason for that is because HAL is deprecated, and will be replaced by DeviceKit and (g)udev.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The reason for that is because HAL is deprecated, and will be replaced by DeviceKit and (g)udev.

How on earth is HAL deprecated? What makes it so?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The reason for that is because HAL is deprecated, and will be replaced by DeviceKit and (g)udev.


You can bet a 100$ that we will need to create a wiki for the migration, because I'm 100% sure that we will break our WM.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

d2_racing wrote:
salahx wrote:
The reason for that is because HAL is deprecated, and will be replaced by DeviceKit and (g)udev.


You can bet a 100$ that we will need to create a wiki for the migration, because I'm 100% sure that we will break our WM.
Another 12 months of users going crazy :evil:
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In fact, some hardcore Gentoo users will break their box for sure.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, migration to udev should be quite simple.
There's a patch floating around, that backports parts of it
to 1.7, but only udev backend, not InputClasses,
so it's not quite the same as 1.8 will be.
Having said that, as long udev is >=148, migrating
shouldn't be hard, regardless whether you'll move it
into xorg.conf or an udev rule.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We will have to wait and see when it will hit an overlay or the portage testing tree :P
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