a working video editor, please?

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avx · Post by **avx** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:13 pm

So, I want/need to work on my wedding-video, but after trying some apps, I'm currently really frustrated since I can't find even a single app, doing what I need and which doesn't crash.

Basically, I only need the following few things:
- a timeline with seperate tracks for audio and video
- ability to cut out unwanted pieces
- insert some other files, mostly some pictures/graphics
- text-overlays, don't even need to be animated

The sourcefiles are

midentify file.mpg
ID_VIDEO_ID=0
ID_AUDIO_ID=128
ID_FILENAME=file.mpg
ID_DEMUXER=mpegps
ID_VIDEO_FORMAT=0x10000002
ID_VIDEO_BITRATE=9542800
ID_VIDEO_WIDTH=704
ID_VIDEO_HEIGHT=576
ID_VIDEO_FPS=25.000
ID_VIDEO_ASPECT=0.0000
ID_AUDIO_FORMAT=8192
ID_AUDIO_BITRATE=0
ID_AUDIO_RATE=0
ID_AUDIO_NCH=0
ID_LENGTH=916.56
ID_SEEKABLE=1
ID_CHAPTERS=0
ID_VIDEO_CODEC=mpegpes
ID_AUDIO_BITRATE=256000
ID_AUDIO_RATE=48000
ID_AUDIO_NCH=2
ID_AUDIO_CODEC=a52
ID_EXIT=EOF

in an mpeg-container. Would be nice, if the final output can directly be made DVD-ready (PAL), but that's not really important, as long as I can convert it with mencoder/ffmpeg.

I already tried the following:
- cinelerra: crashes all the time
- pitivi: can't handle the mpegs, loads the file when I place it in an mkv-container, crashes
- jashaka: crashes directly on start-up
- kino: imho a very strange ui, basically works, sucks on text-overlays

Haven't tried kdenlive, since that would require a huge truckload of kde-related stuff and I don't want that on my system.

Is there anything out there, which isn't crashing and offers what I need? Something like iMovie for OSX would be enough. If needed, I'm willing to use wine, as long as it works and if absolutely necessary, the machine should be powerfull enough for VMware+WinXP+$App.

I'm pretty sure, such a topic already exists, so please forgive me, but I'm very p.off right now.

aCOSwt · Post by **aCOSwt** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:21 pm

Well, after having tried some, I made a few things under AVIDEMUX.
My opinion is that it was, two years ago, the most achieved open-source video editing software available under FreeBSD.
As it seems to me that I am less hairy than I was on the videos taken before their remastering... I will not say that it never crashed !

yngwin · Post by **yngwin** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:54 am

Cinelerra or kdenlive would be the best bets.

Section_8 · Post by **Section_8** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:07 am

I'm using cinelerra to edit old home video tapes. IIRC, I had to play with the video driver settings in the preferences to stop the crashing.

avx · Post by **avx** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:40 pm

Isn't avidemux only for glueing pieces together and/or reencoding? If so, well, not really, but I'll merge it just to have a look.

Regarding cinelerra, I already tried changing some settings, didn't work so far, often because it crashes before the menu even comes up

I'll try merging kdenlive.

yngwin · Post by **yngwin** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:39 pm

avx wrote:Isn't avidemux only for glueing pieces together and/or reencoding? If so, well, not really, but I'll merge it just to have a look.

It's main strength is for re-encoding. You can do simple edits, but nothing like what you want.

aCOSwt · Post by **aCOSwt** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:31 pm

yngwin wrote:
avx wrote:Isn't avidemux only for glueing pieces together and/or reencoding? If so, well, not really, but I'll merge it just to have a look.
It's main strength is for re-encoding. You can do simple edits, but nothing like what you want.

Hmmm... for having used it and, providing I understand what you are looking for, I (respectfully) disagree with yngwin.
Everything you said wishing in your first post is achievable under avidemux.
And many more, playing with fps, subtitles, good quantity of video / audio filters...
OK, the interface can be seen a bit outdated by some...
OK, I agree I was saving my job everytime I had achieved an operation...
OK, it is a bit basic regarding audio but if you are in a real need of "near-audio-pros" requirements, you can still work your audio tracks separately on another system. What I actually do.

DaggyStyle · Post by **DaggyStyle** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:59 am

give openshot and openmovieeditor a try

Clad in Sky · Post by **Clad in Sky** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:45 am

I use "lives" (not often, though).
It has all the things you mentioned, I think.
It's in portage.

avx · Post by **avx** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:55 pm

give openshot and openmovieeditor a try

openshot segfaults at startup. Didn't know the other, will have a look at this and @Clad's tip.

myceliv · Post by **myceliv** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:32 pm

Having all these segfault problems seems very strange. The applications you mention almost never crash for me. The exception has been sometimes after xorg, nvidia proprietary driver, or media lib upgrades such as ffmpeg, mplayer, x264, etc. I have had to rebuild the video editor app even though revdep-rebuild did not see problems.

Is your system all up to date? If at some point you upgraded xorg, glibc or gcc you followed instructions to rebuild necessary packages or whole system, yes? You get segfaults only in media related apps? If other apps are segfaulting too maybe a memtest run would be worthwhile. Also I'd double check that you have all compatiible deps, i.e. you don't have old ffmpeg trying to use a newer x264 somehow. I've had better luck with all stable or all ~ packages for media, mixing them was too difficult.

yngwin · Post by **yngwin** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:43 pm

Indeed, all those segfaults are suspicious.

avx · Post by **avx** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:50 pm

Is your system all up to date?

Yes, running ~amd64, last updated yesterday. Nvidia-drivers (prop) run fine, as do mplayer, ffmpeg and all other (media-)packages. I've got no clue, why (nearly) everything related to videoeditors crashes all the time, my C(XX)/USE-flags are sane, RAM, CPU and GPU are tested ok.

Bigun · Post by **Bigun** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:35 am

I'm in this exact same boat, also ~amd64.

So far cinelerra, kino, kdenlive, pitivi: all segfault.

*edit*

I also am using a Mobile Nvidia card with Nvidia drivers.

I may try the NV driver to see if that makes a difference.

frostwork · Post by **frostwork** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:06 pm

hi!
just a wild guess - as you both are running a ~ system, the latest glib update to 2.22.3
might have broken several things on your systems, including gstreamer,
which might be the reason for your segfaults.
here's the related bgo entry:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=297483
good luck!

btw imho the most usable NLE currently is kdenlive - for smaller
edits avidemux rocks.
bad luck that the very promising jahshaka ( http://jahshaka.org/ )
is dead upstream since a long time (at least it seems so)

Bigun · Post by **Bigun** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:10 pm

DaggyStyle wrote:give openshot and openmovieeditor a try

I couldn't get openmovieeditor to install, the configure script has a lot of requirements, and I'm too lazy to find them.

However, openshot had a precompiled binary in the tar.... and I am impressed, very easy to use, has a lot of features, and I've been using it for the last 10 minutes without a crash. I'll report back once I've attempted to cut a set of videos for youtube from start to finish.

DaggyStyle · Post by **DaggyStyle** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:23 pm

Bigun wrote:
DaggyStyle wrote:give openshot and openmovieeditor a try
I couldn't get openmovieeditor to install, the configure script has a lot of requirements, and I'm too lazy to find them.

However, openshot had a precompiled binary in the tar.... and I am impressed, very easy to use, has a lot of features, and I've been using it for the last 10 minutes without a crash. I'll report back once I've attempted to cut a set of videos for youtube from start to finish.

why bin when you can compile?

/usr/local/portage/media-video/openmovieeditor/openmovieeditor-0.0.20090105-r1.ebuild

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# Copyright 1999-2009 Gentoo Foundation                                         
# Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2              
# $Header: $                                                                    

EAPI=2

inherit autotools eutils
RESTRICT="nomirror"     

DESCRIPTION="Open Movie Editor is designed to be a simple tool, that provides basic movie making capabilites."                                                  
SRC_URI="mirror://sourceforge/${PN}/${P}.tar.gz"                                
HOMEPAGE="http://openmovieeditor.sourceforge.net"                               

SLOT="0"
LICENSE="GPL-2"
KEYWORDS="~amd64 ~x86"

IUSE=""
DEPEND=">=media-libs/libquicktime-1.0.0[lame,x264]
                >=x11-libs/fltk-1.1.7
                <x11-libs/fltk-2
                >=dev-libs/glib-2.10.3
                >=media-libs/portaudio-19_pre
                virtual/opengl
                >=media-libs/gavl-1.0.0
                >=media-libs/gmerlin-0.3.7
                >=media-libs/gmerlin-avdecoder-0.1.7
                media-sound/jack-audio-connection-kit
                >=media-libs/libsamplerate-0.1.1
                >=media-libs/libsndfile-1.0.0"
RDEPEND="${DEPEND}
                media-plugins/frei0r-plugins" # no real run-dep, but otherwise no plugins

src_unpack() {
        unpack "${A}"
        cd "${S}"

        # Fix linkage problem
        # http://www.openmovieeditor.org/board/viewtopic.php?id=873
        epatch ${FILESDIR}/openmovieeditor-fix-linkage.patch
        # Fix lame/x264 detection in libquicktime when as-needed used
        epatch "${FILESDIR}/openmovieeditor-fix-as-needed.patch"

        eautoreconf
}

src_compile(){
        econf || die "econf failed"
        emake || die "emake failed"
}

src_install(){
        emake DESTDIR="${D}" install || die "install failed"
        dodoc AUTHORS ChangeLog NEWS README TODO INSTALL
}

/usr/local/portage/media-video/openshot/openshot-0.9.43.ebuild

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# Copyright 1999-2009 Gentoo Foundation                                         
# Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2              
# $Header: $                                                                    

EAPI="2"

inherit eutils python fdo-mime

DESCRIPTION="OpenShot Video Editor is a free, open-source, non-linear video
editor, based on Python, GTK, and MLT."                                    
HOMEPAGE="http://www.openshotvideo.com"                                    
#MAIN_URI="http://launchpad.net/openshot/build-wizard/create-a-build-wizard/+download"                                                                          
MAIN_URI="http://launchpad.net/~openshot.developers/+archive/ppa/+files"        
SRC_URI="${MAIN_URI}/openshot_${PV}-0ubuntu1~ppa1k.tar.gz -> \                  
                        openshot-${PV}.tar.gz                                   
                mirror://gentoo/mlt-0.4.4.tar.gz"                               
# This almost seems oxymoron, heh                                               
RESTRICT="mirror"                                                               

LICENSE="GPL-3"
SLOT="0"       
KEYWORDS="~amd64 ~x86"
IUSE="dvgrab faac faad ieee1394 jack jack-rack kino ladspa quicktime"

# Notes on depends:
#       app-arch/deb2targz is for converting the OpenShot program's .deb package
#       dev-lang/swig is for compiling the MLT Python bindings                  
#       media-libs/mlt is so we don't have to depend on OpenShot's rather       
#               large (~22M) .deb dependencies package (we only use 1 file from it)                                                                             
#       Everything else is required by OpenShot or is an optional/USE feature   
DEPEND="app-arch/deb2targz                                                      
                dev-lang/swig                                                   
                dev-libs/libxml2                                                
                dev-python/pygoocanvas                                          
                dev-python/pyxdg                                                
                gnome-base/librsvg                                              
                media-libs/celt[-ogg]                                           
                >=media-libs/mlt-0.4.4[dv,ffmpeg,frei0r,libsamplerate,melt,sdl] 
                media-video/ffmpeg[encode,sdl,theora]                           
                media-plugins/frei0r-plugins                                    
                media-libs/libdv[sdl]                                           
                media-libs/libsamplerate                                        
                media-libs/libtheora[encode]                                    
                media-libs/libvorbis                                            
                media-sound/sox[encode,ffmpeg]                                  
                media-libs/libsdl                                               
                ieee1394?       (       sys-libs/libavc1394                     
                                                        media-libs/libdc1394    
                                                        sys-libs/libraw1394    )
                quicktime?      (       media-libs/libquicktime )               
                dvgrab?         (       media-video/dvgrab      )               
                faac?           (       media-libs/faac )                       
                faad?           (       media-libs/faad2        )               
                jack?           (       media-sound/jack-audio-connection-kit  )
                jack-rack?      (       media-sound/jack-rack   )               
                kino?           (       media-video/kino        )               
                ladspa?         (       media-libs/ladspa-sdk   )               
                lame?           (       media-sound/lame        )               
                x264?           (       media-libs/x264 )"                      
RDEPEND="${DEPEND}"                                                             

src_unpack() {
        # Unpack the main .deb package first, along with its friends
        tar zxf ${DISTDIR}/openshot-${PV}.tar.gz                    
        # Unpack the MLT source package                             
        tar zxf ${DISTDIR}/mlt-0.4.4.tar.gz                         
}                                                                   

src_compile() {
        ebegin "Building MLT Python bindings"
        # Export the Python environtment or we get lovely Python.h errors
        export PYTHON_INCLUDE=`python -c "import sys;print "%s/include/python%d.%d"%(sys.prefix,sys.version_info[0],sys.version_info[1])"`                    

        # First we need to symlink to mlt.i
        ln -sf ${WORKDIR}/mlt-0.4.4/src/swig/mlt.i \
                ${WORKDIR}/mlt-0.4.4/src/swig/python/mlt.i >/dev/null 2>&1 \
                || die "Symlinking of the mlt.i file failed!"               
        # Now we invoke swig                                                
        swig -c++ -I${WORKDIR}/mlt-0.4.4/src/mlt++ \                        
                -I${WORKDIR}/mlt-0.4.4/src -python \                        
                ${WORKDIR}/mlt-0.4.4/src/swig/mlt.i >/dev/null 2>&1 \       
                ||      die "Failed to invoke swig!"                        
        # Compile the wrapper                                               
        g++ -fPIC -D_GNU_SOURCE -c -rdynamic -pthread \                     
                -I${WORKDIR}/mlt-0.4.4/src -I$PYTHON_INCLUDE \              
                ${WORKDIR}/mlt-0.4.4/src/swig/mlt_wrap.cxx >/dev/null 2>&1 \
                || die "Failed compiling the wrapper!"                      
        # Create the module                                                 
        gcc -shared ${WORKDIR}/mlt_wrap.o \                                 
                -L${WORKDIR}/mlt-0.4.4/src/mlt++ -lmlt++ \                  
                -o ${WORKDIR}/mlt-0.4.4/src/swig/python/_mlt.so >/dev/null 2>&1 \                                                                               
                || die "Bindings module compile failed!"                        
        einfo "Bindings installed successfully"                                 
}                                                                               
src_install() {                                                                 

        # Install the main executable and melt
        exeinto /usr/bin                      
        doexe ${WORKDIR}/openshot/bin/openshot

        # Install OpenShot links and images
        insinto /usr/share/applications    
        doins ${WORKDIR}/openshot/xdg/openshot.desktop
        insinto /usr/share/pixmaps                    
        doins ${WORKDIR}/openshot/xdg/openshot.png    
        insinto /usr/share/mime/packages              
        doins ${WORKDIR}/openshot/xdg/openshot.xml    
        insinto /usr/lib/mime/packages                
        doins ${WORKDIR}/openshot/xdg/openshot        

        # Install documentation
        doman ${WORKDIR}/openshot/docs/openshot.1

        # Copy over the rest of OpenShot's files
        insinto /usr/share/openshot             
        doins -r ${WORKDIR}/openshot/openshot/* 

        # Install our MLT Python bindings
        python_version                   
        insinto /usr/$(get_libdir)/python${PYVER}/site-packages
        doins ${WORKDIR}/mlt_wrap.o                            
        doins ${WORKDIR}/mlt-0.4.4/src/swig/mlt.py             
        exeinto /usr/$(get_libdir)/python${PYVER}/site-packages
        doexe ${WORKDIR}/mlt-0.4.4/src/swig/python/_mlt.so     
}                                                              

pkg_postinst() {
        # Recreate permissions for executables
        # Now this is really ugly... but sadly there's no way to avoid it yet
        local INSTDIR=/usr/share/openshot
        # Fix file permissions
        chmod +x ${INSTDIR}/titles/*
        chmod +x ${INSTDIR}/windows/*.py
        chmod +x ${INSTDIR}/windows/glade/*.glade
        chmod +x ${INSTDIR}/classes/*.py

        # Refresh shared libraries
        ldconfig
        # Update our mime database to relect new changes
        fdo-mime_mime_database_update
        fdo-mime_desktop_database_update

        elog
        elog "The import and export features of this program rely"
        elog "heavily on its dependencies' USE flags such as"
        elog "media-libs/mlt and media-video/ffmpeg. If you find you"
        elog "can't export or import a certain media format, consider"
        elog "reviewing and modifying these USE flags accordingly."
        elog

        elog
        elog " Please report any bugs with the ebuild to"
        elog "   http://bugs.gentoo.org/283673"
        elog
}

pkg_postrm() {
        # Clean-up our now un-needed MLT python bindings
        python_mod_cleanup
        # Update our mime database to reflect new changes
        fdo-mime_mime_database_update
        fdo-mime_desktop_database_update
}

Bigun · Post by **Bigun** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:05 am

I'll be honest, I am falling in love with OpenShot... is there an e-build for it?

*edit*

Nevermind, found one -> http://bugs.gentoo.org/283673

DaggyStyle · Post by **DaggyStyle** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:45 am

Bigun wrote:I'll be honest, I am falling in love with OpenShot... is there an e-build for it?

*edit*

Nevermind, found one -> http://bugs.gentoo.org/283673

ignoring the fact you've found it, have you thought of looking at the last post in this topic (before you've posted)?

Bigun · Post by **Bigun** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:15 pm

DaggyStyle wrote:
Bigun wrote:I'll be honest, I am falling in love with OpenShot... is there an e-build for it?

*edit*

Nevermind, found one -> http://bugs.gentoo.org/283673
ignoring the fact you've found it, have you thought of looking at the last post in this topic (before you've posted)?

Yeah sorry, I thought that was just the e-build of openmovieeditor. Besides for people who want to look at this in the future, that URL should always contain an up-to-date e-build.

DaggyStyle · Post by **DaggyStyle** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:32 pm

Bigun wrote:
DaggyStyle wrote:
Bigun wrote:I'll be honest, I am falling in love with OpenShot... is there an e-build for it?

*edit*

Nevermind, found one -> http://bugs.gentoo.org/283673
ignoring the fact you've found it, have you thought of looking at the last post in this topic (before you've posted)?
Yeah sorry, I thought that was just the e-build of openmovieeditor. Besides for people who want to look at this in the future, that URL should always contain an up-to-date e-build.

I didn't know there was a new ebuild

Bigun · Post by **Bigun** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:56 pm

For example, a new version just came out on 1/10, the link provides access to this e-build.

Which I will be installing this evening, I have high hopes for this software.

aCOSwt · Post by **aCOSwt** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:26 pm

@avx or Bigun : Did you manage to solve your segfaults troubles ? How ?
BTW, I am experiencing same troubles :
- Avidemux coredumping when reaching frame 139
- Cinelerra coredumping from first one
- Kdenlive... sometimes...
(gentoo-sources 2.6.34-r1 - x86-64 stable - nvidia-drivers 195)

k-root · Post by **k-root** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:09 pm

aCOSwt wrote:@avx or Bigun : Did you manage to solve your segfaults troubles ? How ?
BTW, I am experiencing same troubles :
- Avidemux coredumping when reaching frame 139
- Cinelerra coredumping from first one
- Kdenlive... sometimes...
(gentoo-sources 2.6.34-r1 - x86-64 stable - nvidia-drivers 195)
:? :?

cinelerra does not coredump by itself :wink: but i agree : it is a very frustating kind of software. anyway for a this [1] very good reason you should consider using this git repo : http://git.xiph.org/?p=users/xiphmont/cinelerraCV.git .

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