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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 6:26 pm    Post subject: Success on Ultra5! Reply with quote

Yeah! Finished my base system install on a Sun Ultra5 (333 MHz, 2 MB CPU Cache, 512 MB RAM, ). Using the stable packages (no ~sparc) the bootstrap and "emerge system" worked smooth and I am currently emerging X and Fluxbox.

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mel root # uname -a
Linux mel 2.4.21-sparc-r1 #2 Tue Jul 29 20:36:41 CEST 2003 sparc64 sun4u TI UltraSparc IIi GNU/Linux
mel root # cat /proc/cpuinfo
cpu             : TI UltraSparc IIi
fpu             : UltraSparc IIi integrated FPU
promlib         : Version 3 Revision 25
prom            : 3.25.1
type            : sun4u
ncpus probed    : 1
ncpus active    : 1
Cpu0Bogo        : 665.19
Cpu0ClkTck      : 0000000013d92d40
MMU Type        : Spitfire
mel root # dmesg | grep "^hd*"
hda: IC35L060AVVA07-0, ATA DISK drive
hdb: HL-DT-STDVD-ROM GDR8160B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
hdc: SAMSUNG SV1204H, ATA DISK drive
hda: attached ide-disk driver.
hda: host protected area => 1
hda: 120103200 sectors (61493 MB) w/1863KiB Cache, CHS=119150/16/63, (U)DMA
hdc: attached ide-disk driver.
hdc: host protected area => 1
hdc: 234493056 sectors (120060 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=232632/16/63, (U)DMA
hdb: attached ide-cdrom driver.
hdb: ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM drive, 512kB Cache, (U)DMA
mel root #


Boots up in 18 seconds from SILO prompt to login prompt :D
Thats faster than my 2GHz P4 with 1024MB RDRAM!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Nice. Congratulations!

You wouldn't be able to provide an image of that crate booting Gentoo would you?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nephros wrote:
Very Nice. Congratulations!

You wouldn't be able to provide an image of that crate booting Gentoo would you?


Thanks!
No problem, but as I said its just emerging X and that will take a while :)

But I can make one with my DigiCam when its done. In the meantime you can look at a shot after I installed both harddisks (I put in the DVD later) and a picture of the Ultra5 itself (including my complete desktop with 3 machines and a UPS :) )
I use a KVM to switch the monitor between the Sun and my Intel box.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2003 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

X is working now! :D

Here is my xf86config... I have a Type 5c US/Unix keyboard and a "Compact 1" 3 button mouse. Screen is a 17" VideoSeven TFT.

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mel root # cat /etc/X11/XF86Config | grep -v "^#" | grep "."
Section "Module"
    Load        "dbe"   # Double buffer extension
    SubSection  "extmod"
      Option    "omit xfree86-dga"   # don't initialise the DGA extension
    EndSubSection
    Load        "type1"
    Load        "speedo"
    Load        "freetype"
EndSection
Section "Files"
    RgbPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local/"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/freefont/"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
EndSection
Section "ServerFlags"
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
    Identifier  "Keyboard1"
    Driver      "Keyboard"
    Option "AutoRepeat" "500 30"
 Option "XkbModel" "sun"
 Option "XkbCompat" "compat/complete"
 Option "XkbTypes" "types/complete"
 Option "XkbKeycodes" "sun(type5)"
 Option "XkbGeometry" "sun(type5unix)"
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
    Identifier  "Mouse1"
    Driver      "mouse"
    Option "Protocol"    "BusMouse"
    Option "Device"      "/dev/sunmouse"
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
    Identifier  "L17MB"
    HorizSync   80
    VertRefresh 56-75
EndSection
Section "Device"
    Identifier  "Standard VGA"
    VendorName  "Unknown"
    BoardName   "Unknown"
    Driver     "vga"
EndSection
Section "Device"
    Identifier  "Card0"
    Driver      "ati"
    #VideoRam    4096
    # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
EndSection
Section "Screen"
    Identifier  "Screen 1"
    Device      "Card0"
    Monitor     "L17MB"
    DefaultDepth 16
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       8
        Modes       "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
        ViewPort    0 0
    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       16
        Modes       "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
        ViewPort    0 0
    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       24
        Modes       "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
        ViewPort    0 0
    EndSubsection
EndSection
Section "ServerLayout"
    Identifier  "Simple Layout"
    Screen "Screen 1"
    InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer"
    InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice. May I ask what it cost?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

littleendian wrote:
Very nice. May I ask what it cost?


I paid 290 EUR at eBay + 100 EUR for RAM Upgrade (320 MB -> 512 MB), Keyboard and Mouse.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another question: I never used anything but x86. Why does the sun boot that fast? What x86 cpu-clock can be compared to a 333MHz UltraSparc2?

Cause I think of getting one too, just to spice up life a bit :) It's really not that expensive...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

littleendian wrote:
Another question: I never used anything but x86. Why does the sun boot that fast? What x86 cpu-clock can be compared to a 333MHz UltraSparc2?

Cause I think of getting one too, just to spice up life a bit :) It's really not that expensive...


No you cant directly compare it to a x86 cpu clock. One reason is that the CPU is 64bit, the other is that it has much more cache. My P4 2GHz has 256kb cache, that 333MHz UltraSparcIIi got 2 MB(!) CPU cache.

If you get a U5 (its a really nice small workstation), check how much CPU cache it has. For example the 360MHz U5 got 256kb cache. Due to the different cache amount, the 333MHz U5 is about 20% faster than the 360MHz U5.

For a indepth benchmark comparsion, you can check this document:
http://0x1337.net/pub/Microprocessor_Performance_Comparison.pdf
The webpage is down, but I luckly saved it as PDF some time ago :)

From what the document shows, the FPU performance of the 333MHz UltraSparcIIi can be compared with a PIII ~600, the integer performance with a PII ~350.

But as I wrote above, you cant really compare it 1-to-1. I have a PIII 800 here and it "feels" slower than the Sparc also it has a current Gentoo install too.

In fact, the speed is really enough to work with that machine and as you said, it "spices life up" :) Sun hardware belongs to the best on the market :)

Hope that helps!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for giving me the start pal, definitely will check out that link when I get home from work. I just wanna "broaden my horizon", and I guess this is a good start :) Then I can check out solaris, and see what a "real" linux feels like (no offense, but linux is not posix-"certified", is it?)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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littleendian wrote:
Very nice. May I ask what it cost?


I paid 290 EUR at eBay + 100 EUR for RAM Upgrade (320 MB -> 512 MB), Keyboard and Mouse.


Damn that is cheap. I only found one who sells used Suns in Finlad and here
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Ultra 5 360 MHz / 256 kB 128 MB 8 GB PGX8 677.10 e

It's a little expensive. One can get a new x86 with everything for that price. Damn they want moiney for them.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bAZiK wrote:
littleendian wrote:
Very nice. May I ask what it cost?


I paid 290 EUR at eBay + 100 EUR for RAM Upgrade (320 MB -> 512 MB), Keyboard and Mouse.


Damn that is cheap. I only found one who sells used Suns in Finlad and here
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Ultra 5 360 MHz / 256 kB 128 MB 8 GB PGX8 677.10 e

It's a little expensive. One can get a new x86 with everything for that price. Damn they want money for them.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ultra 5 360 MHz / 256 kB 128 MB 8 GB PGX8 677.10 e

It's a little expensive. One can get a new x86 with everything for that price. Damn they want money for them.


Ouch, thats really expensive. Small cache, small RAM and only a PGX8 :?
You would buy less if you buy one at ebay.de and ship it to finland :!:
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks for giving me the start pal, definitely will check out that link when I get home from work.


No problem :) Feel free to contact me by email (also in German ;) ) if you want to exchange some experience when you got your Sparc :)

BTW, the name of the seller on ebay.de is "sun-grim-reaper" if you want to check out his offers.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, saw one at ebay for around 300 EUR... 360 MHz, 256 MB, 10 Gig HDD, dunno about cpu-cache, didn't check the details out. Looked good, and it still worked.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 2:16 pm    Post subject: (:^D Reply with quote

Yay! my new sparc will run a stable gentoo!

But now the question remains... Solaris 9... or Gentoo?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 2:41 pm    Post subject: Re: (:^D Reply with quote

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Yay! my new sparc will run a stable gentoo!

But now the question remains... Solaris 9... or Gentoo?


Gentoo :P
Much better software offering with Linux (IMHO)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

littleendian wrote:
Yup, saw one at ebay for around 300 EUR... 360 MHz, 256 MB, 10 Gig HDD, dunno about cpu-cache, didn't check the details out. Looked good, and it still worked.


Sun Homepage wrote:

Cache Memory
16-KB instruction cache, 16-KB data cache
256-KB external for 270-MHz and 360-MHz processors
2 MB external for 333-MHz and 400-MHz processors


http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Systems/U5/spec.html
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 5:09 pm    Post subject: little endian... Reply with quote

well, isn't the sparc a little endian?

yay! i gots two little endians! and four big endians! before long i can have a pow wow in the woods with my special peace pipe :)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just bought an Ultra 60 with 512 MB ram, 9 GB HD, no Floppy, no CD-ROM and a 21' Monitor for about 2000 Euro and the most important thing: 1 year of full warranty.

After the machine arrived I installed a SCSI CD-ROM and 36 GB hard disk, which I had both left.

The nice thing with Sun is the quality these machines have. The thing that makes me angry are the prices. For the second Harddisk I needed the Installation-Frame (sorry, I don't know how it is called correctly) to plug it in. It costs 70 Euro :evil:
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2003 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think the right name for this "frame" is "hard drive mounting kit". i hate this f**king pieces of platic.
have u ever tried to change the HDD of a SS10 :evil:
i'm soo happy that the U5 has standard screws 8O
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2003 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solaris is fine. But I'll proudly proclaim my Ultra 2 Enterprise being a Gentoo system from now on! :)
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I received a free Solaris 9 with the machine, so way not getting familiar with it.

Yes, I must admit that gentoo is running fine on my ultra60, but I decided to stay with solaris, so I can test my Java apps on three Platforms: Solaris, Gentoo x86, and this slighly unpopular OS :)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just got two Ultra 10's with 440MHz, 512MB & 3D creator cards in them.

I'm setting one up with Gentoo and the other one with Solaris 9.

I use Solaris 9 at work so I want to use atleast one of them for that. The other one, is going to be a nice little Gentoo test system. Maybe it will help out my Athlon-xp 2000 compile times with "distcc"

Has anyone got the 3d creator to work in "3d"? I haven't emerged X yet, just curious if it will work or not.

I also have a SparcSation 20 (solaris 9) I use for a file server.

Heck, I think sparc machines are about to take over my house! :wink:
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have had some plans of setting up a new norwegian gentoo rsync server for some time now, and I just got a good offer on a Sun Ultra 5 400mhz, 512mb ram. The gentoo rsync guide, says you should have at least a PIII 500mhz, with 256 mb ram. Could the U5 handle the load or would a pentium 500++ be more fit for the job? I have never worked with anything else then x86-machines before, is there anything else I have to think of?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the Ultra 5 400 would be perfectly suited. You must not think x86:)

The UltraSPARC is a 64-bit processor, 400mhz is a very excellent speed for that machine.

512mb of RAM is very good too.


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