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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:53 pm    Post subject: Gentoo xorg roadmap Reply with quote

Is there a roadmap for Gentoo Xorg?

I ask because there is plenty of buzz and news about Xorg development, but to be quite truthful, none of it appears to be terribly stable. That may be reflected by the fact that while xorg-server-1.6 was just announced a few weeks ago, Gentoo stable is still running xorg-server-1.3 - quite a ways back from the front.

When I read the news, I see TTM getting tossed in favor of GEM, requirements for kernel-2.6.28 or better, XAA vs EXA vs UXA, etc. I see much of the true leading-edge work being done by Intel, followed fairly closely by the 3 - oops, make that 2, RadeonHD developers, etc. Then again, I have no idea where or when nVidia will fit into this fold, because thought it's clear that Nouveau is following the new developments, there's no clear impression when it will be ready for regular use.

In addition, I had a system with Intel 845GV graphics for a brief time, and was thoroughly underwhelmed by the stability of the graphics - and I experimented with practically every level of xorg-server and associated parts available in portage. The only thing that was really stable was... "stable," along with the deprecated i810 driver.

Considering all of this, I'm not at all surprised that Gentoo stable is 3 point-levels back.

Does anyone have a feel for how all of this is going to come together and become generally stable, how it becomes deployed for the broad graphics mainstream hardware? (Heck, I'm not even asking for my old Matrox G400 any more, just the "mainstream.")
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will want to follow this bug:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=251832
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the link. Kind of makes me wonder how other distributions have managed to move to newer levels of X.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Other distros are binary. All they have to do to make a package stable is to make it somehow compile with a configuration and then not crash. Here, it must compile fine with a lot of diferent toolchain combinations and even more options. (BTW you remember the joke about ubuntu devs taking vi and patching it so long that they finally ended with the OOo package? Well, it's not how people do things here ;] )

And if you didn't notice, we had packages for all Xorg stuff long before any other distro and I don't think that anywhere else you have packages for 9999 versions. They're just not called stable when they're not.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

szczerb wrote:
(BTW you remember the joke about ubuntu devs taking vi and patching it so long that they finally ended with the OOo package? Well, it's not how people do things here ;] )

Actually no, never heard it. But it induced a slight offshoot of a thought. What if they had patched vi so long that the finally ended up with emacs? Which camp would be more revolted?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

depontius wrote:
szczerb wrote:
(BTW you remember the joke about ubuntu devs taking vi and patching it so long that they finally ended with the OOo package? Well, it's not how people do things here ;] )

Actually no, never heard it. But it induced a slight offshoot of a thought. What if they had patched vi so long that the finally ended up with emacs? Which camp would be more revolted?
If you are talking about ubuntu, you probably meant to say 'sudo openoffice' :lol:

Back on topic, from what I understand xorg-server-1.5 is going stable soon. The bug listed above has all the details, including the stabilization list that you might want to append to your pack.keywords in the time being and try out.
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