tagging ripped vinyl so other programs pick up titles

[hunky]

I'm trying to rip some old vinyl records I have that for whatever reason don't particularly want to buy the CD for. I'm using Audacity to rip the vinyl, having my turntable plugged into a small pre-amp and then into a Delta 66 sound card. I've also played around using Ardour.

So I get the file of all songs recorded into audacity - I use the label track feature to label each selected track (song) with its title. I suppose I could skip this step - maybe just label them 01, 02, etc. since my other programs don't seem to pick these titles up. I then "export multiple" which creates all the wave files for each song. I then fire up K3B to burn the disk. Here I can enter track names and artist and then burn the CD. But now I have a CD of wav files - I want to rip it to flac and to ogg for playing on my computer / ipod-like device. I use Grip to rip the CD but I would have to enter all the tag info again there. Then I would like to catalog my CD so I fire up Tellico and I would have to manually enter all the tag info again there. Too tres tedious.

Curious if others have a system for this that works better - tagging tracks?

Now ardour creates a TOC for the tracks but not sure if that helps. I have had a bit of trouble getting the whole wave file exported with the proper number of tracks despite marking all the track ranges (maybe something to do with pregap or something) so have exported ranges individually and not only are individual wav files created but individual TOC files too. I just don't know enough about it to know how this all works.

So simple question is: how do you rip vinyl so that other programs get artist/track title info so that you only have to write it once?
Is there some way you can get vinyl info through the freedb or CDDB type databases?

thanks, JD

[edit] - just ran it down to the wife's IMAC and it imports with track name and artist into ITUNES, so maybe I've just issues with my ripping/cataloging software..
Bugger is that even though I wrote out the artist and track names in K3B before burning the disk, if I then try to rip it with k3b, it doesn't pick up the tags - I would have to re-enter them. heck.

[audiodef]

This I would also like to know. I make my own CDs and even though I've set up the track names and such, all I get in CD players is "track 01, track 02" etc.
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[bunder]

CD's are stamped with serial numbers that get feed to CDDB... that's why cloning a CD (and making your own) produces the unnamed tracks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDDB#Example_calculation_of_a_CDDB1_%28FreeDB%29_disc_ID

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[hunky]

Thanks guys!

Maybe I'll play around a bit more with Ardour since it writes out a TOC (table of contents) like the link talked about. I had tried the cdrdao command line and that is when I hit problems of missing or extra tracks. I'll just have to fix those errors and try again - provided my cd writer supports it.

Otherwise I better just plan on lots of typing. Forgoing the cd, if I can tag the wav files on my hard drive somehow and use encoders like flac2ogg (or something like that) maybe they could read the tags (id3tag?). I'll google some more.. /jd

[hunky]

Just as a followup, I successfully exported a session out of Ardour and it created a proper TOC file with apparent CDTEXT info. Then using cdrdao I burned the export.wav.toc file to CD. Unfortunately though, programs like Amarok don't seem to read the track names. Even Itunes doesn't read the track names - so perhaps using k3b and naming the track info in that program before the burn may be what lets itunes see the track names.

So maybe I'll just go back to audacity and export out individual tracks with names based on numeric (01, 02, 03) track names. Then burn them in k3b naming the tracks there. So that is writing each track name once, not counting numbering them. Then for the flac and ogg files I'll explore some different programs to encode where ideally they would take the track names from the k3b burned disc. But I'm afraid I won't find anything and have to type the track info a second time for making flac/ogg files. Hopefully I won't have to type the track names for each encoding type.

Oh, and then I'll still have to type the track info another time to catalog into Tellico. What I need there is a way to pull CD or Record info from freedb and import it into the program - or get a cataloging program that allows that. It will import the info on a store bought CD, but it would be nice to be able to give an album name and have it import those records without having the CD. Heck - maybe it does I just haven't found it.

Apologies if I'm missing something very obvious. That happens. cheers, jd

[Edit] What may work for me and makes me a bit happier is this work flow:
Create tracks in audacity and just label them 01, 02, etc.. and "export mulitple" based on labels, ignoring the tagging dialog in audacity since it is onerous. Then fire up k3b and load them into that - give the tracks and artist names and burn the CD. While still having those files loaded in k3b, I can then encode them to flac and then to ogg without having to rename the tracks. Amarok reads these fine now. And then Tellico can find and import the record info if it was made into a CD and is on Amazon's site. Perhaps other sites would work too - so far only used that one. Have to maybe edit the entry a bit as sometimes tracks are a bit different on reissued CDs. So when all that works I only have to type track names once. cheers, jd