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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:17 am    Post subject: gentoo-sources-2.6.24 alsa-driver (1.0.14 & 1.0.15) fail Reply with quote

After getting the new gentoo-sources and using the new kernel, media-sound/alsa-drivers fails to emerge (both 1.0.14 and 1.0.15).

Error log:
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make -C /usr/src/linux M=/var/tmp/portage/media-sound/alsa-driver-1.0.15/work/alsa-driver-1.0.15 O=/lib/modules/2.6.24-gentoo/build CPP="i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -E" CC="i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc" modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.24-gentoo'
/usr/src/linux-2.6.24-gentoo/scripts/Makefile.build:46: *** CFLAGS was changed in "/var/tmp/portage/media-sound/alsa-driver-1.0.15/work/alsa-driver-1.0.15/acore/Makefile". Fix it to use EXTRA_CFLAGS.  Stop.
make[3]: *** [/var/tmp/portage/media-sound/alsa-driver-1.0.15/work/alsa-driver-1.0.15/acore] Error 2
make[2]: *** [_module_/var/tmp/portage/media-sound/alsa-driver-1.0.15/work/alsa-driver-1.0.15] Error 2
make[1]: *** [sub-make] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.24-gentoo'
make: *** [compile] Error 2
 *
 * ERROR: media-sound/alsa-driver-1.0.15 failed.
 * Call stack:
 *                   ebuild.sh, line 1701:  Called dyn_compile
 *                   ebuild.sh, line 1039:  Called qa_call 'src_compile'
 *                   ebuild.sh, line   44:  Called src_compile
 *   alsa-driver-1.0.15.ebuild, line  143:  Called die
 * The specific snippet of code:
 *      emake LDFLAGS="$(raw-ldflags)" HOSTCC="$(tc-getBUILD_CC)" CC="$(tc-getCC)" || die "Make Failed"
 *  The die message:
 *   Make Failed


Anyone experiencing the same problem? Advice?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:16 am    Post subject: Re: gentoo-sources-2.6.24 alsa-driver (1.0.14 & 1.0.15) Reply with quote

sverzel wrote:
Advice?

Use in-kernel alsa drivers.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:07 am    Post subject: Re: gentoo-sources-2.6.24 alsa-driver (1.0.14 & 1.0.15) Reply with quote

gimpel wrote:
Use in-kernel alsa drivers.


In some cases, this might be not a good idea...

I have the same problem here...

EDIT: There is already a bugreport on this.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The same here, i dont like build-in alsa drivers. And media-sound/alsa-drivers fails to compile ...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i use the 999-version by unmasking in packages.mask and adding with "**" to packages.use,

really works fine; also recognized some optical improvements/changes in alsamixer ;)

give it a try
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:43 pm    Post subject: Kernel driver Reply with quote

To get around the problem I compiled alsa in the kernel and the driver as a module instead. Problem with alsa-driver persists. See bug, as linked by schachti: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207427
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

is this issue still unsolved?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

depends... for the modules 1.0.14 an 1.0.15 yeah, i dont know if there is a newer one one maybe now.. i used the unstable (9999) and that worked for me

maybe i should change the title not to "[solved]" but "[workaround]" ?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, why don't people use the kernel driver?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paapaa wrote:
BTW, why don't people use the kernel driver?

As a module it is updated more often, than a builtin kernel driver. And if you are a musician, than you are more obsessive about bleeding edge multimedia :)

sverzel wrote:
After getting the new gentoo-sources and using the new kernel, media-sound/alsa-drivers fails to emerge (both 1.0.14 and 1.0.15)...
Anyone experiencing the same problem? Advice?

Norberto Bensa's suggestion at bugzilla worked for me, too;
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mv alsa-driver-1.0.15.ebuild to alsa-driver-1.0.16_rc1.ebuild
ebuild alsa-driver-1.0.16_rc1.ebuild digest
emerge alsa-driver

I did this on my local overlay, btw.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

keenblade wrote:
Paapaa wrote:
BTW, why don't people use the kernel driver?

As a module it is updated more often, than a builtin kernel driver. And if you are a musician, than you are more obsessive about bleeding edge multimedia :)

sverzel wrote:
After getting the new gentoo-sources and using the new kernel, media-sound/alsa-drivers fails to emerge (both 1.0.14 and 1.0.15)...
Anyone experiencing the same problem? Advice?

Norberto Bensa's suggestion at bugzilla worked for me, too;
Code:

mv alsa-driver-1.0.15.ebuild to alsa-driver-1.0.16_rc1.ebuild
ebuild alsa-driver-1.0.16_rc1.ebuild digest
emerge alsa-driver

I did this on my local overlay, btw.



This also seems to have worked for me.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

keenblade wrote:
Paapaa wrote:
BTW, why don't people use the kernel driver?

As a module it is updated more often, than a builtin kernel driver. And if you are a musician, than you are more obsessive about bleeding edge multimedia :)


I don't think you necessarily get more "bleeding edge multimedia" if you use a slightly newer Alsa driver. Usually the driver either works, or doesn't.

And the latest kernel 2.6.24 has the latest ALSA 1.0.15. But true, 2.6.24 is not yet in stable. At least people with problems should try the in-kernel driver. That is what the kernel team also recommends. IIRC, there has also been some discussion whether to drop the separate drivers completely.

I don't understand why there is a separate ALSA module in the first place. Kernel should handle all the needed device drivers.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paapaa wrote:

I don't think you necessarily get more "bleeding edge multimedia" if you use a slightly newer Alsa driver. Usually the driver either works, or doesn't.

And the latest kernel 2.6.24 has the latest ALSA 1.0.15. But true, 2.6.24 is not yet in stable. At least people with problems should try the in-kernel driver. That is what the kernel team also recommends. IIRC, there has also been some discussion whether to drop the separate drivers completely.

I don't understand why there is a separate ALSA module in the first place. Kernel should handle all the needed device drivers.

I like to use module, because;
If a version of alsa driver does not work for you, than you just emerge a previous or a working version easily, for the sake of low latency.
No need to compile all kernel, just alsa-driver.
When I was a windows user, there was creative drivers for sblive soundcard. It was far better than ms ones. Then came kX drivers. It was better than all and pushed the card limits to all possibilities. Finaly, later asio4all driver was the nirvana for low latency audio. It was incredibly made my pc an effect processor for my guitar. Sometimes previous versions worked better.
So the sound driver is important for me. I don't think it is different for linux.
As you see using a module, I could use driver that is not in portage and in kernel. Isn't that wonderful? Possibly one can integrate the new driver into kernel himself, but thats to much work. I hope they provide the driver as a module in the future, too.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

keenblade wrote:
If a version of alsa driver does not work for you, than you just emerge a previous or a working version easily, for the sake of low latency.


Have actually you had a situation where the ALSA in the latest stable kernel doesn't work but an older one does? I'd like to know how possible this scenario is in actual life. Similarly we could have every single device driver both in kernel and in portage tree. What a mess would that be,
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paapaa wrote:
an older one does?

I've seen loads of ALSA threads complaining that 1.0.15 breaks what used to work in 1.0.14

Then again, 1.0.15 fixes lotsa stuff.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PaulBredbury wrote:
I've seen loads of ALSA threads complaining that 1.0.15 breaks what used to work in 1.0.14


But are we talking about 1.0.15 in kernel, not the 1.0.15 driver? Those are not, AFAIK, identical.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all: creating a 1.0.16_r1 or 1.0.16_r2 ebuild works,
same goes for unmasking 9999, as this is a known
problem which has been fixed in alsa-drivers svn.

For in-kernel VS external: There are good reasons for using not the
in kernel alsa-drivers, as they might be, at least
if you are using a stable kernel, rather old.

I have a new santa rosa intel chipset here,
and the onboard sound (hda-intel) works
with >= 1.0.15 and there it is still buggy.

The mute behaviour is correct now in 1.0.16_r2,
while it wasn't even in 1.0.16_r1.

So there are people who definitely have good reasons
for using the external alsa drivers.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paapaa wrote:

Have actually you had a situation where the ALSA in the latest stable kernel doesn't work but an older one does? I'd like to know how possible this scenario is in actual life. Similarly we could have every single device driver both in kernel and in portage tree. What a mess would that be,

I had not tried the latest in kernel alsa driver until now. But I have just tried. It compiled fine. Works fine. But performance is much better with the newer 1.0.16_r1 and r2. Just did a quick audacity benchmark. New alsa drivers is twice fast for audacity. Ok audacity is not a benchmark tool but, it shows new driver is faster. But I know some people could not compile in kernel alsa, too. So what is happening is an actual life scenario.

Also I agree there is no need to have every single device driver both in kernel and in portage tree. But sound and graphic are not one of them. I don't think this makes a mess. Gentoo is all about choices. Also what is wrong with being modular? Haven't xorg and kde gone better as being modular. Even internal kernel alsa driver is built as a module, too. Thats the preferred way, other ways, it won't work.
Being modular and using modules rock for me. That's freedom.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I am not all that impressed with the alsa drivers that come with vanilla and gentoo-sources-2.6.24. Come to think of it, I'm not all that impressed with the new kernel at all.

In my opinion, the driver for my new laptop sound chip (intel-hda) went backwards. The headphone jack still doesn't work properly, and when the new driver takes hold of the sound chip, it doesn't let go. Much like when I switch between Windoze and Gentoo, in order to get the sound to work, I have to power the system down. Same thing with the new drivers. If I use the 2.6.24 kernel, and swtich back to one that works (2.6.22.16), I get no sound, unless I completely power down.

I guess I'll have to be stuck at 2.6.22.16 until they fix the alsa drivers...oh, yeah, and that pesky broadcom wireless adapters no longer work thing, too.

Color me unimpressed.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ALSA bugs should go in the ALSA bugzilla.

The people who are capable of fixing ALSA bugs don't read this forum, AFAICT.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuchs wrote:
So there are people who definitely have good reasons
for using the external alsa drivers.


Right - see also http://polynomial-c.homelinux.net/pub/gentoo/documentation/alsa-driver.html for other reasons why one might prefer the separate package over the in-kernel drivers.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

could anybody tell how do i install svn alsa-driver?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Add the following to /etc/portage/package.unmask:

Code:
=media-sound/alsa-driver-9999
=media-sound/alsa-headers-9999


Add the following to /etc/portage/package.keywords:

Code:
=media-sound/alsa-driver-9999
=media-sound/alsa-headers-9999


emerge the latest version:

Code:
emerge =media-sound/alsa-driver-9999

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alsa-driver already emerged but the problem persist, when i try to play any sound the program crash.

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2806/screenshotpc0.png

this is what i mean
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1783/screenshot1be8.png

localhost ~ # lsmod
Module Size Used by
snd_hda_intel 356312 0
snd_pcm 57032 1 snd_hda_intel
snd_timer 16712 1 snd_pcm
snd_page_alloc 7120 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
snd_hwdep 6408 1 snd_hda_intel
snd 36424 4 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_hwdep
nvidia 6997716 26
soundcore 7584 1 snd


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