The Gentoo XD2 port project

IntergalacticWalrus · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 2:57 pm Post subject:

Will it be possible to just install their gnome2-ified version of OOo? I'm not a Gnome user myself, but damn, if I can get rid of that complete POS that is OOo's horrible and slow-as-hell UI I'd be super happy.

spikkle · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 4:35 pm Post subject: USE= ximian?

link wrote:

erik_swanson · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 5:28 pm Post subject:

How are we going to keep track of what packages are "done" wrt successfully modifying the ebuilds to (optionally) apply Ximian's patches?

If done in this forum thread, it could get nasty quickly. Can anyone host a (semi-private) repository of some sort for us to coordinate the patching progress on?

link · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 5:34 pm Post subject:

Erik, there's a component in breakmygentoo.org's bugzilla. Use that for submitting ebuilds you've done. We can also host what's done on their ebuild site, as Matt has taken an interest in this project. I agree that pasting ebuilds into the forum would get really messy really fast.

spikkle, we've talked about using a ximian USE flag, and that would be the most logical approach in my mind.

intergalacticwalrus, i would love to get ebuilds of ximian's OOo. but one thing i've noticed (i've got a copy of XD2 running here). OOo "Ximian Edition" is based on OOo 1.0.3. And in all honesty, OOo 1.1 is by far better than even the Ximian 1.0.3 patched beyond all hell edition. What may be a nice thing to try applying to the 1.1 branch would be the patch that changed all OOo's icons to GNOME ones. But other than that, I like 1.1 way better.
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erik_swanson · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 6:24 pm Post subject:

I'm currently working on gtk+-2.2.1; should we also use the bugzilla to mark that we're working on something (to avoid work duplication) by creating a bug for the package (assuming someone else isn't already working on it) and assigning it to ourselves (if the bugzilla is set up to allow this, that is).

link · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 7:05 pm Post subject:

erik_swanson · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 7:12 pm Post subject:

Something I just noticed when I was about to file the bug for GTK2 (in possibly the wrong place): Should we file the stuff under Gnome: XD2 or New Ebuilds: Unstable?

Lin_Matt · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 7:13 pm Post subject:

Please file ALL bugs under XD2...

Good luck and enjoy!

link · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 8:19 pm Post subject:

Does anyone know what the deal with the Afga fonts is? Those a nice looking fonts, but they don't seem to be available in the downloadable packages. I'm afraid Ximian's gone and done some "value adding" to their purchaseable edition of XD2.

One other thing I thought of. Anyone that idles on IRC can join #g-xd2 on irc.freenode.net. I personally find IRC an easier place to do business than forums.
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IntergalacticWalrus · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 8:50 pm Post subject:

link · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 9:31 pm Post subject:

What widget set does it use? It looks exactly like OOo 1.0 vanilla with GNOME stock icons. and it runs a bit faster. But still slower than 1.1beta
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Evil Dark Archon · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 10:06 pm Post subject:

i think that OOo uses the athena widget set, at least 1.0.x

paul138 · Guru Joined: 09 Aug 2002 Posts: 370 Location: Ottawa, ON

I've read through many of the replys to this, and it appears to be a daunting task. Not only would you need to keep up with Red Carpet's updates, you'd also need to keep up with others. This is a huge project, will you be takling this on your own?

Not to sound negetive, if you're going to do it, do it. However, wouldnt it be more worth while to modify Gentoo's Gnome 2 system and make it something unique? All the ebuilds are there, coordinating with the maintainers and adding your own patches, mods, images, default themes etc. would create something Gentoo users could be proud of.

I'm no expert on Gnome 2 (IMHO it's usability is highly unusable) but a Gentoo Gnome could be more of an asset than putting Ximian on my machine.

Please, no flames, it's just an idea. :twisted:

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karl11 · Guru Joined: 25 Jun 2002 Posts: 469 Location: Raleigh, NC

I think we'd all rather just see the patches. They'll probably make it in for gnome 2.6, but it would be nice to have 2.3-2.4 patched with the ximian patches. As for those who have said OO runs slower....Where are you running Ximian OO? If you have it running in Gentoo, please do tell what all this entails. If not, then how much would be involved in getting it into Gentoo? Right now, I'd be very happy with just the Ximian OO part, unless it is truly slower than 1.1beta2, at which point I'll stick with 1.1beta2.

Karl

erik_swanson · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 4:22 pm Post subject:

link · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 5:53 pm Post subject:

Yea, the way I think we will be taking this on is by patching. All Ximian's patches are present on patches.ximian.com. And adding patches if ximian is in the USE variable. erik's been busy, and has cranked out a few ebuilds already. They're in bugzilla.breakmygentoo.org.

For up to the minute coverage of this, I suppose you could subscribe to the xd2 component. Or join the IRC channel or what not.

If this ximian use flag is going to get accepted into Gentoo proper, we have a long road ahead of us. We'll eventually have to coordinate work with foser and the Gentoo Gnome team. But that's a ways away. We need working patched ebuilds first.

karl, i'd just stick with 1.1beta. I've been let down about ximian OO. Its not as good as the 1.1 betas i've seen. maybe applying the stock icon patch or something would be cool though.
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Lin_Matt · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 6:07 pm Post subject:

sisob · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 6:31 pm Post subject:

Ximain are working atm on porting their stuff to OO1.1 so as soon
as OO1.1 is acutally out I imagine they will updated to that. They will
also be updating to gnome 2.4 when it comes out.

The Agfa fonts are closed source...
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erik_swanson · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 6:38 pm Post subject:

The Gnome improvements won't see vanilla Gnome until 2.5. This means that the earliest the XD2 stuff would be "stable" without applying it downstream is 2.6.
XD2 itself is stable, it's just not on Gentoo (yet); this is what we're working to remedy.

karl11 · Guru Joined: 25 Jun 2002 Posts: 469 Location: Raleigh, NC

While this is a great idea, patches will get into the new Gnome stuff asap. If anyone can explain to me what the benefit of having Ximian Desktop is, I would appreciate it. Currently, I don't see anything that much different from the patched up version of gnome we have on breakmygentoo. The print module is definitely something we should want, and it will be done officially pretty soon from what I've been able to tell. The rest of these patches are really more ui based patches and those will hopefully make it in for 2.4. After all, cosmetic changes are 50% of what happens after feature freeze.

I'm all for having ximian desktop ebuilds, but we need to make sure those are suffixed with patch levels. Here are some reasons:

1) These will probably not ever go upstream to portage proper as all the patches will eventually be merged into gnome proper.

2) For proof of #1, read the story about Breakmygentoo.net on the GWN. The main reason for starting Breakmygentoo is that it's very hard to get unstable or unsupported (see Copyright issues with Ximian) stuff upstream to portage proper. There are many fine lines to consider with Ximian and their artwork. Just to give you an idea of how hard it is to get something in portage, my gnome-noia ebuilds from February still aren't in there. That's another story, and one that I am pleased with the answer of why they're not in portage right now.

3) With the dawn of the XD2 project, we will have three gnome versions running around with possibly three versions of the same package with different patches. Imagine the horror this is on developers trying to figure out a gtk+-2.2.2-r3 bug if portage proper, breakmygentoo gnome devel releases, and XD2GEN2 all have gtk+-2.2.2-r3 as their name. It would be nice for portage proper to do gtk+-2.2.2-r3, breakmygentoo to be gtk+-2.2.2-p1, and XD2GEN2 to do gtk+-2.2.2-p2.

These are my concerns right now with this project. I'm really glad to see all the interest in getting this stuff ported over, so I hope you'll read my words and understand where I'm coming from.

Karl

Edit: I've yet to use XD2, so don't flame me if I come off as a complete moron when talking about the differences between XD2 and gnome-2.3.3. But honestly, I haven't seen any screenshots or heard anyone say anything that was drastically different.

erik_swanson · Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 7:36 am Post subject:

Common misconceptions regarding XD2GEN2:

1. XD2 is unstable.
XD2 is NOT unstable, it is in fact both stable and commercially backed by Ximian as such (when run on officially supported OS', which Gentoo is unfortunately not).

2. Ximian's improvements will appear in upstream versions quickly.
The earliest upstream GNOME version that can realistically be expected to contain Ximian's more involved improvements is 2.5 / 2.6.

3. Copyright issues prevent porting of XD2 to Gentoo.
Gnome is primarily licensed under the GPL and LGPL. The only issues have to deal with Ximian's trademark, which can be handled just like with the x11-themes/redhat-artwork package.

maxmc · Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:09 am Post subject:

djf_jeff · Apprentice Joined: 17 Feb 2003 Posts: 174 Location: Quebec

I finish to put gentoo on my spare computer yesterday.

I will help to test ebuild and anything you need. Just need to be patient, it's a pentium 400 but it do the trick.

Just to know, where is all the action for this project, the ebuild?

Good luck

ikshaar · Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 6:47 pm Post subject:

I had many problems to upgrade after using Ximan 1.4 on RedHat. But to have it as ebuild (easy to uninstall) would be cool. Nevertheless, from XD2, the only two things I like are the printer UI, and OpenOffice. But still, good luck to your project.

Jeff : you will need to be patient. If you did not read the thread, it's about a project to start porting XD2 (part of it at least) to Gentoo... come back in few weeks, months...
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djf_jeff · Apprentice Joined: 17 Feb 2003 Posts: 174 Location: Quebec

I have read the whole thread and I know that it will be long. But they have start and I want to help...

They release some things at breakmygentoo.net (in bugzilla).