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mdl313 n00b
Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 63 Location: New York
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:43 am Post subject: compiz-fusion features vis a vis Beryl |
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I recently switched from Beryl to Compiz-Fusion (0.5.2). There were two features in Beryl that I liked but can't find in C-F despite a lot of searching:
1) 3-D Windows effect with variable spacing between the windows
2) Ability to rotate the cube and keep it in place with Ctrl-Alt-Button2 until released by Button 2
Anybody know if these are available with Compiz-Fusion? If so, how/where to enable?
Thanks in advance for any help. |
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juniper l33t
Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 942 Location: we the north
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:08 am Post subject: |
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control-alt-button1 seems to grab the cube. |
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mdl313 n00b
Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 63 Location: New York
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:05 am Post subject: |
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Yes (same with Beryl) but the cube snaps back after releasing Button 1. Beryl additionally offered the ability to rotate the cube to a fixed position. I was looking for that in C-F. |
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mrpringle Apprentice
Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 284
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:13 am Post subject: |
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is there any reason you switched from beryl (just out of curiosity). I have never tried anything else besides beryl because it has never crashed and seems to just work without too much trouble. |
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jonnevers Veteran
Joined: 02 Jan 2003 Posts: 1594 Location: Gentoo64 land
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:29 am Post subject: |
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mrpringle wrote: | is there any reason you switched from beryl (just out of curiosity). I have never tried anything else besides beryl because it has never crashed and seems to just work without too much trouble. |
compiz-fusion IS beryl. beryl is dead, use it if you want but support and updates aren't going to be forthcoming. compiz-fusion 0.5.2 is a LOT more stable then beryl was but YMMV. I haven't seen any plugins from beryl that haven't been ported to CF.
you are looking for the package: compiz-fusion-plugins-threed |
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mdl313 n00b
Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 63 Location: New York
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: |
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Because of reports that Beryl has been merged with Compiz, but mainly because of some stability problems I had with it (occasional black window screens I couldn't fix). If it weren't for those issues, I would have stayed with Beryl. |
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mrpringle Apprentice
Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 284
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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i don't understand this layman and overlay stuff. What is it for? I never saw it when I was using beryl. |
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slackline Veteran
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Posts: 1471 Location: /uk/sheffield
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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mrpringle wrote: | i don't understand this layman and overlay stuff. What is it for? I never saw it when I was using beryl. |
Overlays and layman are explained at Gentoo Overlay's User Guide
Basically an overlay is a set of ebuilds that aren't considered quite stable enough/widely desirable/whatever to make it into the main portage tree, so an overlay is used (in the same manner as you can make your own local overlay for your own ebuilds). layman is a tool for managing various different overlays.
At present compiz-fusion is part of the xeffects overlay, ergo.....the easiest way to install compiz-fusion is to use layman to install the xeffects overlay and then emerge compiz-fusion etc. |
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juniper l33t
Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 942 Location: we the north
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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slack---line wrote: |
At present compiz-fusion is part of the xeffects overlay, ergo.....the easiest way to install compiz-fusion is to use layman to install the xeffects overlay and then emerge compiz-fusion etc. |
compiz-fusion showed up in my portage last night.
I have found C-F pretty damn stable so far. window movements smoother. |
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slackline Veteran
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Posts: 1471 Location: /uk/sheffield
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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juniper wrote: |
compiz-fusion showed up in my portage last night.
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Really? I've just run eix-sync and its not in the main portage tree, only the overlay....
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# ls -l /usr/portage/x11-wm/
total 196
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Aug 2 15:36 aewm
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Aug 2 16:06 aewm++
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Jul 21 13:37 aewm++-goodies
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Jul 22 07:06 afterstep
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Jul 22 05:36 amiwm
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 May 15 22:06 aquamarine
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Jul 12 05:09 beryl
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 May 15 22:06 beryl-core
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Jul 22 05:36 blackbox
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Aug 20 00:06 compiz
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Jul 13 13:06 ctwm
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Jul 25 22:36 dwm
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Jul 12 05:09 emerald
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Aug 16 17:06 enlightenment
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Jul 22 05:10 evilwm
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Jul 22 05:36 fluxbox
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Jul 13 20:06 flwm
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Aug 7 11:36 fvwm
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 May 15 22:06 heliodor
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Aug 15 15:36 icewm
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Jul 22 05:36 ion
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Jul 22 07:06 ion2
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Aug 13 23:36 jwm
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Apr 14 07:38 kahakai
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Aug 2 16:36 larswm
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Aug 2 16:36 lwm
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Jul 22 07:06 matchbox
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Oct 16 2006 matchbox-common
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Aug 7 2006 matchbox-desktop
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Aug 7 2006 matchbox-panel
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Jul 22 07:36 matchbox-window-manager
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Aug 23 00:36 metacity
-rw-r--r-- 1 portage portage 1310 Feb 18 2006 metadata.xml
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Aug 5 06:36 openbox
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Aug 13 23:36 oroborus
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Aug 13 23:36 oroborus-extras
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Aug 20 05:36 pekwm
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Jul 1 23:06 plwm
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Aug 2 16:36 ratpoison
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Aug 13 23:36 sawfish
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Feb 21 2007 selectwm
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Jan 29 2007 stumpwm-cvs
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Jan 20 2007 treewm
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Jun 25 22:36 twm
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Jul 2 12:06 vtwm
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Aug 22 20:36 windowlab
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Aug 2 16:36 windowmaker
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Jun 30 14:36 wm2
drwxr-xr-x 3 portage portage 4096 Aug 1 02:06 wmii
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# ls -l /usr/portage/local/layman/xeffects/x11-wm/
total 16
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Aug 23 13:14 compiz
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 23 13:14 compiz-fusion
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Aug 23 13:14 emerald
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Aug 23 13:14 metacity
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I suspect you may have it in an overlay somewhere? |
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juniper l33t
Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 942 Location: we the north
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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don't know what to say, I don't have the xeffects overlay installed
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eix -s compiz
[I] x11-apps/compiz-settings
Available versions: (~)0.06 (~)0.07
Installed versions: 0.07(12:03:32 AM 23/08/07)
Homepage: http://forum.go-compiz.org/viewtopic.php?t=153
Description: Configuration tool for compiz window manager
* x11-plugins/compiz-extra
Available versions: (~)0.3.6.0
Homepage: http://www.go-compiz.org/index.php?title=Download
Description: Compiz extra third party plugins
[I] x11-wm/compiz
Available versions: (~)0.5.0 (~)0.5.2
Installed versions: 0.5.2(11:53:29 PM 22/08/07)(dbus -debug gnome -kde svg)
Homepage: http://www.compiz.org/
Description: 3D composite- and windowmanager
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just did an "ls -R | grep compiz" in /usr/portage/local/layman (where i have a few repos) and nothing. |
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slackline Veteran
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Posts: 1471 Location: /uk/sheffield
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Ahh well, you see there is a difference between compiz and compiz-fusion. Thus there is no confusion at all, just different packages
Whilst the version is the same (0.5.2) you are using compiz, whilst the alternative is to use compiz-fusion which as I understand "fuses" compiz and beryl into one. |
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Gusar Advocate
Joined: 09 Apr 2005 Posts: 2665 Location: Slovenia
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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@juniper: You only have compiz core. Compiz-fusion consists of addons for the core and is split into many packages: compiz-fusion-plugins-main, compiz-fusion-plugins-extra, libcompizconfig, ccsm (compizconfig settings manager), emerald, some other packages. All these packages have the same version as compiz core, currently it's 0.5.2. They are not yet in portage, only in the xeffects overlay. |
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mdl313 n00b
Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 63 Location: New York
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jonnevers Veteran
Joined: 02 Jan 2003 Posts: 1594 Location: Gentoo64 land
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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mdl313 wrote: | fusion-icon-9999 is also available, but as of yesterday (22Aug) it was still masked by missing keyword. |
to ease typing, please refer to my post on properly emerging compiz-fusion + fusion-icon here: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-4200204.html#4200204 |
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juniper l33t
Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 942 Location: we the north
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:25 am Post subject: |
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what's the difference between compiz fusion 0.5.2 and compiz 0.5.2? |
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mark_alec Bodhisattva
Joined: 11 Sep 2004 Posts: 6066 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: |
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Moved from Desktop Environments to Unsupported Software. Compiz-fusion isn't in the tree yet. _________________ www.gentoo.org.au || #gentoo-au |
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juniper l33t
Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 942 Location: we the north
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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mark_alec wrote: | Moved from Desktop Environments to Unsupported Software. Compiz-fusion isn't in the tree yet. |
hmmm, it is about both. the thread started being about compiz, moved into C-F and the last post was asking about a comparison (so I know what to install). |
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slackline Veteran
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Posts: 1471 Location: /uk/sheffield
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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juniper wrote: | mark_alec wrote: | Moved from Desktop Environments to Unsupported Software. Compiz-fusion isn't in the tree yet. |
hmmm, it is about both. the thread started being about compiz, moved into C-F and the last post was asking about a comparison (so I know what to install). |
No, its not. The whole thread has been about compiz-fusion, its is only yourself who has raised the issue of compiz. From the original post....
mdl313 wrote: | I recently switched from Beryl to Compiz-Fusion (0.5.2). There were two features in Beryl that I liked but can't find in C-F despite a lot of searching: |
With regards to...
juniper wrote: | what's the difference between compiz fusion 0.5.2 and compiz 0.5.2? |
Have a look further up the thread at Gusar's response and you will have your answer |
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juniper l33t
Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 942 Location: we the north
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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No, its not. The whole thread has been about compiz-fusion, its is only yourself who has raised the issue of compiz. From the original post....
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sorry, i got confused with a thread I started about compiz. my mistake...
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Have a look further up the thread at Gusar's response and you will have your answer |
to be more clear then, compiz 0.5.2 and C-F 0.5.2 are the same, except the xeffects overlay also has a bunch of extra ebuilds/programs. are they EXACTLY the same (i.e., will the extra stuff in C-F use the main line compiz as a dependency?)? |
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Gusar Advocate
Joined: 09 Apr 2005 Posts: 2665 Location: Slovenia
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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juniper wrote: | will the extra stuff in C-F use the main line compiz as a dependency? | Yes. |
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jonnevers Veteran
Joined: 02 Jan 2003 Posts: 1594 Location: Gentoo64 land
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Gusar wrote: | juniper wrote: | will the extra stuff in C-F use the main line compiz as a dependency? | Yes. |
but I take issue with the way he is equating them. Just because C-F depends on and uses the standard compiz package dosen't make them equal.
you could think of C-F as being a meta-package, if that helps visualize the difference.
C-F represents the following packages in addition to using compiz as it's compositing window manager:
Code: | dev-python/compizconfig-python
x11-wm/compiz-fusion
x11-plugins/compiz-fusion-plugins-main
x11-plugins/compiz-fusion-plugins-extra
x11-plugins/compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported
x11-plugins/compiz-fusion-plugins-gears
x11-wm/emerald
x11-themes/emerald-themes
x11-apps/ccsm
x11-libs/libcompizconfig
x11-libs/compizconfig-backend-gconf
x11-libs/compizconfig-backend-kconfig
x11-libs/compiz-bcop |
to demonstrate my point, you wouldn't say nautilus is the same as gnome just because the meta-package that is gnome includes nautilus. surely, nautilus is an integral part of the gnome desktop but they are not equatable. |
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