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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a lot of actively developed patch sets that support Reiser4, just look through the Unsupported Software forums. There might even be some in portage, I haven't really looked that hard yet.

But whatever you choose for a filesystem, you just need to set up the filesystem on the partition and extract the tarballs like normal. It's pretty easy. Plus, you'll want to install the tools that go with that filesystem, for example reiserfsprogs to go with ReiserFS.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

notHerbert wrote:
I don't know reiser4, but I remember reading that it's use was discouraged in favor of a sane filesystem. I have tried reiser3.6, ext3, xfs. They are all different.
I've been using JFS for quite a while and it's my favorite one. :D


What do you mean by 'sane'?

Reiser 3.6.. having a version number x.x suggests to me that it is frequently re-released? Am I correct?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Reiser 3.6.. having a version number x.x suggests to me that it is frequently re-released? Am I correct?

Not all that frequently actually... and very infrequently now that Hans Reiser is on trial for his wife's murder while she's probably alive and well in Russia laughing at him, or else the man she was cheating on Hans with killed her, along with the other eight or so people he's admitted to killing. I'm kinda betting on the former, since no body has been found.

But people tend to criticize Reiser more than most other filesystems because it's more optimized for performance than for stability. Not that it's unstable, but there are minor issues that affect some people more than others. But you can find flaws in any filesystem if you want to.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess you're right. I've found the kernel that I want to build (that being hitchhiker-sources). How do I install my built kernel after I do the satge tarballs?

And do I extract stage1, then stage2, then stage3 onto the partition? Or just stage3?

That's a very interesting story too. If the FS works nice, Hans is innocent :)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just follow the gentoo handbook for installation. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml
As for reiser4 I use it for / (not for /home) and am very pleased. Create it with cryptocompress support (LZO1) and enjoy :)
A1: I think it's worthvile;
A2: You'll find all the info you need in the forums (unsupported software). Just find some reiser4 livecd that you like (for your platform of choice) and follow handbook.

PS. You'll want to make /boot with ext2/3 as using it with reiser4+grub takes some (unneeded IMHO) work.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are on x86 or amd64, you can use the SystemRescueCD as liveCD, because it has Reiser4 support. You use the normal stage3 (just stage3, not 1 and 2), following the handbook. The only difference will be that you use mkfs.reiser4 for creating your main filesystem(s), and hitchhiker-sources for your kernel. Do make a separate boot partition with ext2, because grub doesn't work from a reiser4 boot (and the patch that exists for that is very unstable).

Personally I have used Reiser4 for both root and home partitions for several years. It's been the most stable FS I have ever used.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tatotato wrote:
What do you mean by 'sane'?

I don't know. I just read it somewhere in the Gentoo documentation. I don't remember where. Maybe in the LVM or Raid stuff. :D

At any rate if you want to try Reiser4, do it. If you like it, great, if you don't, no problem, try something else.

That's probably one of the nicest things about Linux and Gentoo, the opportunity to try stuff and other stuff..... I think it's supposed to be lot's of fun too. :wink:
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What do you mean by 'sane'?


just being a little over-cautious & keeping everything at work / life ;)

my advice:

1.) just install gentoo on an reiser3.6 partition & an kernel which supports reiser4 natively
2.) create a custom stage4 out of it http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Custom_Stage4
3.) boot into SystemRescueCD, format your root with reiser4, extract the stage4-tarball on it
4.) don't forget to re-create /dev-entries & change /etc/fstab-entry of root
5.) reboot (provided you have a separate /boot partition)
6.) done ... voilà !
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

merged above dozen posts here.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this thread should just get locked.... reiser4 is bad news
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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this thread should just get locked.... reiser4 is bad news


Why is it bad news?

..okay, just because its creator got convicted of first-degree murder... :D

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reiser4 has so much potential. I would definitely be using it if future development was more certain.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tatotato wrote:
rmh3093 wrote:
this thread should just get locked.... reiser4 is bad news


Why is it bad news?

..okay, just because its creator got convicted of first-degree murder... :D


Reiser4 is good and is going to be better!
And the very good news is that there are some people developing it :D
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Reiser4 has so much potential. I would definitely be using it if future development was more certain.


I agree, but I'm using it anyway.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Need4Speed wrote:
Reiser4 has so much potential. I would definitely be using it if future development was more certain.


I agree, but I'm using it anyway.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tatotato wrote:
rmh3093 wrote:
this thread should just get locked.... reiser4 is bad news


Why is it bad news?

..okay, just because its creator got convicted of first-degree murder... :D

Hans Reiser may be bad news, the Reiser4 filesystem certainly isn't.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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..okay, just because its creator got convicted of first-degree murder...


Hans Reiser was found guilty:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/28/no.body.case.ap/index.html
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So does Reiser4 have a development website or at least a mailing list? I see namesys.com has been down for quite a while.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So does Reiser4 have a development website or at least a mailing list? I see namesys.com has been down for quite a while.


http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.reiserfs.general

it has been there for years :wink:

location of reiser*-progs:

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.reiserfs.general/21480

there exists an (in-)official namesys "mirror" with all documents concerning reiser3.6 & reiser4, unfortunately I don't have the address at hand ... :(
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reiser4 patches are now on the kernel mirrors, under http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/edward/
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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..okay, just because its creator got convicted of first-degree murder...


Hans Reiser was found guilty:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/28/no.body.case.ap/index.html


That's what I meant, just worded it wrong.
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yngwin wrote:
tatotato wrote:
rmh3093 wrote:
this thread should just get locked.... reiser4 is bad news


Why is it bad news?

..okay, just because its creator got convicted of first-degree murder... :D

Hans Reiser may be bad news, the Reiser4 filesystem certainly isn't.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kernelOfTruth wrote:
yngwin wrote:
tatotato wrote:
rmh3093 wrote:
this thread should just get locked.... reiser4 is bad news


Why is it bad news?

..okay, just because its creator got convicted of first-degree murder... :D

Hans Reiser may be bad news, the Reiser4 filesystem certainly isn't.


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news-update:

Quote:
>Great news. Now there is an 'official' place to go for these.
>Just a question, any plans on having a public source code repository
>for reiser*progs and/or the reiser4 patchset?
>
>

Yes, I think it makes sense to move namesys git repos to
http://www.kernel.org/pub/scm/
and, perhaps, we'll do so, as soon they are available..

Thanks,
Edward.


http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.reiserfs.general/21480/focus=21501

so reiser4 is definitely NOT dead :!: :)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Need4Speed wrote:
So does Reiser4 have a development website or at least a mailing list? I see namesys.com has been down for quite a while.


http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.reiserfs.general

it has been there for years :wink:

location of reiser*-progs:

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.reiserfs.general/21480

there exists an (in-)official namesys "mirror" with all documents concerning reiser3.6 & reiser4, unfortunately I don't have the address at hand ... :(


found it:

http://reiser4.erudified.com/

kudos to those mirroring the files :idea: :)

and I'd definitely recommend reiser4:

I had several hardlocks recently and didn't loose a bit with reiser4 (+ reiserfs) :idea:

in the past I had used xfs, jfs and ext3 and every of those led to inrecoverable data loss or corruption :!:

nowadays it's also getting more and more stable (those baby bugs will soon be all fixed); some of the (pseudo-)issues hindering it from mainline inclusion currently are being addressed :idea:
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Quote:
found it:

http://reiser4.erudified.com/


Are those graphics new?

The very top graphic looks like a picture of Namesys going up in smoke in the palm of somebodies hand. :)
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