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slangdaddy
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| The paludis-extras repository is still down : ( |
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Dagger
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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Still down ;(
Do you need extra mirror? I could gladly provide one.
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slangdaddy
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| An extra up-to-date mirror would be great! |
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krisse
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| paludis 0.32.3 wrote: | | /usr/bin/paludis@1229168491: [WARNING repository.blacklisted] Repository 'paludis-extras' is blacklisted with reason 'Repeatedly broken, full of highly buggy code and all round harmful. Do not use.'. |
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slangdaddy
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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@krisse
I get this too, but I want at least the update-eix hook. |
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krisse
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| slangdaddy wrote: | @krisse
I get this too, but I want at least the update-eix hook. |
Oh me too! ... And a bunch of other stuff as well! 
The above, ie. me quoting the warning, was more meant like "Now why are they saying mean things about this repo that I like."  A new entry to the thread, that is; not a comment to you missing paludis-extras, or a mirror thereof. (As far as that matter goes, I miss it too!  ) |
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zxy
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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server is working again and p-e should be online soon now, hopefully tooday, after al the things get moved, configured etc...be patient for a little more ...
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krisse
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Wonderful!
Thank you for your efforts; they are appreciated. |
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Phobos666
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:58 am Post subject: |
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| new year and still down... |
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krisse
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Phobos666 wrote: | | new year and still down... |
Has worked fine here for some time? Or at least did work, shortly after the post above by zxy. Worked last I synched; I think. Or? Dang, now you're making me uncertain.  Haven't kept as close a watch of the sync after it started working again. EDIT: Just synced; everything seemed fine. (08 Jan 2009, 17.23)
On a different topic, anyone have a good tip as how to remove the annoying nag of paludis-extras being blacklisted?
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truc
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you can comment the line in /usr/share/paludis/distros/gentoo/blacklist.conf, or something like that
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krisse
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| truc wrote: | | you can comment the line in /usr/share/paludis/distros/gentoo/blacklist.conf, or something like that |
Aaaaaaah! Good stuff! Thanks.
EDIT: You were almost right on the spot.
For reference, the blacklist-file is the following : /usr/share/paludis/distributions/gentoo/repository_blacklist.conf |
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krisse
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| Smart1 wrote: | You could make this automaticaly with
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Nice. Thanks. |
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slangdaddy
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Ok, repo ist down again  . BUT I sync'd from another mirror (server.guildbrand.net) and now paludis wants to downgrade paludis-hooks-update-eix from 2.7-r1 to 2.7.
So my question is: Are the mirrors even synchronized ? Or are there up-to-date mirrors ? |
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krisse
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Just upgraded to paludis 0.34.0_alpha2, and now for any paludis command I get the following:
| Code: | $ paludis -ia everything
Unhandled exception:
* In program /usr/bin/paludis (--log-level warning --dl-upgrade always --show-reasons summary --dl-reinstall if-use-changed --dl-downgrade warning --with-unused-dependencies --continue-on-failure if-independent) -i everything:
* When making environment from specification '':
* When loading paludis environment:
* When creating repository from file '/etc/paludis/repositories/paludis-extras.conf:
* When making ebuild repository from repo_file '/etc/paludis/repositories/paludis-extras.conf':
* Please use a different package manager. (paludis::ConfigurationError) |
Everything works just fine if I remove the paludis-extras.conf. The message "Please use a different package manager." isn't too encouraging either... I guess they reeaalllly don't like paludis-extras, huh? (Someone please correct me and say "it's just your effing conf, not the repo as such".) |
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krisse
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| http://paludis-extras.org/ wrote: | | NOTE: Paludis-extras is in the trasformation period atm. It probably wont be available as a repository any more. The collection of scripts will still be available for view, so you will be able to use it as you wish, if you wish. Changes will be done shortly. Rsync server is down now. |
It'd be great with some more info than that. As in: if it's in a state of trasformation[sic], what is it transforming into? Does anyone have any inside scoops? |
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arkanoid
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krisse
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Wow. No. They really don't.
Has there really been that amount of problem? I'm just genuinely surprised, as there hasn't been much hassle reported here.
| http://tinyurl.com/797r4z wrote: | | Code: | + else if (stringify(our_name) == "paludis-extras")
+ {
+ /* Seriously guys. You've broken too many systems, wasted too much of
+ * other people's time and put off too many users who think your bugs
+ * are Paludis bugs. In a world containing kde-crazy, xeffects and
+ * sabayon, you're the only people who've warranted this kind of
+ * measure. This is no longer a joke. */
+ throw ConfigurationError("Please use a different package manager.");
+ } |
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EDIT: Well. Evidently it hasn't been reported here, has it. (Judging from the above.) |
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arkanoid
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| http://tinyurl.com/797r4z wrote: | | Code: | + else if (stringify(our_name) == "paludis-extras")
+ {
+ /* Seriously guys. You've broken too many systems, wasted too much of
+ * other people's time and put off too many users who think your bugs
+ * are Paludis bugs. In a world containing kde-crazy, xeffects and
+ * sabayon, you're the only people who've warranted this kind of
+ * measure. This is no longer a joke. */
+ throw ConfigurationError("Please use a different package manager.");
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Notice how that exception is only thrown if you're using paludis-extras and the blacklist warning isn't shown (for example, because you've modified the blacklist file). If you haven't messed around with the blacklist, you will only get the warning. |
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krisse
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| arkanoid wrote: | | Notice how that exception is only thrown if you're using paludis-extras and the blacklist warning isn't shown (for example, because you've modified the blacklist file). If you haven't messed around with the blacklist, you will only get the warning. |
I'd kind of think it could be left for the user to whitelist a repository at will. Having seen that warning (which one would, before whitelisting); having taken the measure to whitelist it, I'd say the user has been well and properly warned he-or-she is potentially about to hose the system. And should be allowed to do so. With paludis. But hey, that's just me. *sigh* Oh well.
... This said, I guess it is fairly understandable to take these kind of measures if indeed they get so many complaints stemming from people using paludis-extras. |
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Rob Paxon
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Notice how that exception is only thrown if you're using paludis-extras and the blacklist warning isn't shown (for example, because you've modified the blacklist file). If you haven't messed around with the blacklist, you will only get the warning. |
Which really isn't how things should work. So long as we can go on the assumption that if the blacklist is so modified, the user has read the warning, absorbed the information, and went out of his way to be able to continue using the repo. That should be more than enough. I don't see how there can be justification for any measure taken in the event the user makes it clear that in spite of the (justifiably given) warning he wishes to proceed. Seems more like something you'd expect from an Apple system tool. Obviously the Paludis guys are frustrated but blacklisting a user-modified blacklist is pretty hokey. The not-so-veiled condescension towards the Paludis-Extras repo team on top of that is, in context, able to be easily dismissed, but the not-so-veiled condescension towards users in the overtly snotty message and the circumstances it appears is quite shitty. I say this as someone not using or desiring to use Paludis-Extras, having not encountered this issue myself (though being aware of the issues with the repo and it since being blacklisted), and only stumbling onto this thread by an irrelevant search.
I just don't see the point of the exception other than to spit out a mocking message, for if one is willing to edit the blacklist they'll be willing to edit the exception. It doesn't seem at all sincere and well-intended, unlike the blacklist itself. |
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rich0
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I'm sorry - this is just silly. Do I really need to patch my paludis sources so that I can use some utilities of my own choosing to improve my life a little?
As painful as it woud be I'm thinking about just switching to back to portage. As much as I'm sure it would be satisfying to some folks around here I don't see developers putting tests into their ebuilds that will abort if a paludis configuration file exists. I thought everybody was finally managing to get along around here.
Gentoo is about choice. If somebody chooses to hose their system, more power to them. Sure, make it hard, but if they claim they know what they're doing that is their right... |
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Ingmarv
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| Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| rich0 wrote: | | I'm sorry - this is just silly. Do I really need to patch my paludis sources so that I can use some utilities of my own choosing to improve my life a little? |
You're more than welcome to use them, so long as you don't distribute them to other people in a way that causes mass breakages. Breakages that are assumed to be paludis breakages.
There're *very* good reasons why we blacklisted paludis-extras. People really shouldn't be posting hooks how to get around that blacklist. Seriously.
You should've just kept it to yourself how to work around the blacklist. That *is* your "I know what I'm doing", and you had to blow it. |
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