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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nth10sd wrote:
pardon my ignorance, i've been away awhile but what is stage 5?

stage 1 = everything incl. bootstrap
stage 2 = no bootstrap
stage 3 = precompiled binaries
stage 4 = ?
stage 5 = ??

Is it something to do with liveCDs?


Stage 4 is a backup stage from Blinkeye.
Stage 5 is an another methode to backup a existing installation.

I choose the next number to create this script.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok thanks for the info!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem :)
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

likewhoa wrote:
my method to backup/clone a system for transfering to another system of the same -march is simple..
Code:
tar cvjp --exclude=/dev --exclude=/proc --exclude=/sys --exclude=/stage4.tar.bz2 --file stage4.tar.bz2 /

then simply scp that tarball to your new system,.. untar it, then simply cd into the /mnt/gentoo/dev directory and run
Code:
MAKEDEV generic
this will create the necessary nodes. after mount proc & dev then finally chroot to it. that's it; you should know the rest. :)

Thanks for the info; you say we know the rest, but I'm not looking to do a new install, but copy to a new hard drive. I'm guessing that I do this from a live disk then set up grub and I'm good to go?
Is it ok to do this from a running system (I'm thinking of temp files in the home directory.) Also, it seems like this would be the definitive line?:
Code:
tar cvjp --exclude=/dev --exclude=/proc --exclude=/sys --exclude=/stage4.tar.bz2 --exclude=/tmp --exclude=/var/tmp --include=/dev/null --include=/dev/console --file stage4.tar.bz2 /
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think :)
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steveL wrote:
likewhoa wrote:
my method to backup/clone a system for transfering to another system of the same -march is simple..
Code:
tar cvjp --exclude=/dev --exclude=/proc --exclude=/sys --exclude=/stage4.tar.bz2 --file stage4.tar.bz2 /

then simply scp that tarball to your new system,.. untar it, then simply cd into the /mnt/gentoo/dev directory and run
Code:
MAKEDEV generic
this will create the necessary nodes. after mount proc & dev then finally chroot to it. that's it; you should know the rest. :)

Thanks for the info; you say we know the rest, but I'm not looking to do a new install, but copy to a new hard drive. I'm guessing that I do this from a live disk then set up grub and I'm good to go?
Is it ok to do this from a running system (I'm thinking of temp files in the home directory.) Also, it seems like this would be the definitive line?:
Code:
tar cvjp --exclude=/dev --exclude=/proc --exclude=/sys --exclude=/stage4.tar.bz2 --exclude=/tmp --exclude=/var/tmp --include=/dev/null --include=/dev/console --file stage4.tar.bz2 /


Code:

rm -rf /usr/portage/distfiles/* && rm -rf /var/tmp/portage/* && rm -rf /var/log/portage/* && tar cvjp --exclude=/dev --exclude=/proc --exclude=/sys --exclude=/stage4.tar.bz2 --exclude=/tmp --file /stage4.tar.bz2 /


is more like it. then to restore boot with livecd then do the following steps after you have mounted the partition to /mnt/gentoo

Code:

cd /mnt/gentoo && tar xvjpf stage4.tar.bz2 && mkdir {dev,proc,tmp,sys} && chmod 1777 tmp && cd dev && MAKEDEV generic && mount -t proc none /mnt/gentoo/proc && mount -o bind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev


then just copy /etc/resolv.conf if needed them chroot to it, setup grub etc.. /sys will be regenerated for you, just add it to fstab.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I rewritted the howto, so if you have any comments or update that you want, just post :)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the guide, a stage4/5 is a great way to clone a Gentoo server and rapidly deploy it on a server with the same arch.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:13 am    Post subject: Re: [Howto] Creation of a Stage 5 archive Reply with quote

d2_racing wrote:

Yes, send an example with the tar or something else plz :)


Yeah, your are right, tar is not useful for raw disk images :)

I guess
Code:
cat /dev/hda | bzip2 | ssh user@host "cat > /home/user/hda.backup.010107.bzip"

could be an example?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

likewhoa wrote:
steveL wrote:
likewhoa wrote:
my method to backup/clone a system for transfering to another system of the same -march is simple..
Code:
tar cvjp --exclude=/dev --exclude=/proc --exclude=/sys --exclude=/stage4.tar.bz2 --file stage4.tar.bz2 /

then simply scp that tarball to your new system,.. untar it, then simply cd into the /mnt/gentoo/dev directory and run
Code:
MAKEDEV generic
this will create the necessary nodes. after mount proc & dev then finally chroot to it. that's it; you should know the rest. :)

Thanks for the info; you say we know the rest, but I'm not looking to do a new install, but copy to a new hard drive. I'm guessing that I do this from a live disk then set up grub and I'm good to go?
Is it ok to do this from a running system (I'm thinking of temp files in the home directory.) Also, it seems like this would be the definitive line?:
Code:
tar cvjp --exclude=/dev --exclude=/proc --exclude=/sys --exclude=/stage4.tar.bz2 --exclude=/tmp --exclude=/var/tmp --include=/dev/null --include=/dev/console --file stage4.tar.bz2 /


Code:

rm -rf /usr/portage/distfiles/* && rm -rf /var/tmp/portage/* && rm -rf /var/log/portage/* && tar cvjp --exclude=/dev --exclude=/proc --exclude=/sys --exclude=/stage4.tar.bz2 --exclude=/tmp --file /stage4.tar.bz2 /


is more like it. then to restore boot with livecd then do the following steps after you have mounted the partition to /mnt/gentoo

Code:

cd /mnt/gentoo && tar xvjpf stage4.tar.bz2 && mkdir {dev,proc,tmp,sys} && chmod 1777 tmp && cd dev && MAKEDEV generic && mount -t proc none /mnt/gentoo/proc && mount -o bind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev


then just copy /etc/resolv.conf if needed them chroot to it, setup grub etc.. /sys will be regenerated for you, just add it to fstab.

for me i got some headache while untarring with these tar options
Code:
cd /mnt/gentoo && tar xvjpf stage4.tar.bz2
i had to use
Code:
cd /mnt/gentoo && tar xvjpfP stage4.tar.bz2
Note the capital P
elsewhise all softlinks that point to sth. with '/' at the target would get lost (pointing to nirvana)
.... so i believe thats important !!!!!

pls, correct if i'm wrong on here but at least only these options worked for me.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the first time that I heard about this P problem...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will check this out tomorrow :)
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For my configuration, I don't need to add the P....

What kind of encoding do you use ?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why didn't you just edit the variables in the stage 4 script?
The values in there are meant to be defaults and users are able to add and remove directories as they wish
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because the Stage 4 doesn't backup a complete partition.

I don't want to include each and every directories in the Stage 4 script.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure about that?

Of course it does not "backup partitions" (or file systems, which is probably what you mean?) but it recursively backups all the directories (mountpoints) you want if you just configure some variables.
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$default_include_folders: folders which need to be included in the backup recursively for a minimal working system.

$custom_include_list: directories which are not imperative for a working system but which may be desirable to be also saved by your backup interactively (like /home or /usr/src/)

Unless the *_exclude_{list,pattern} variables match stuff you need, it should back up everything you want, or am I missing something?

http://blinkeye.ch/mediawiki/index.php/GNU/Linux_System_Backup_Script_%28stage4%29#How_to_customise

Also, backing up complete file systems makes a backup less convenient imho (less flexibility, fragmented state of file systems, ...) Especially since creating file systems is so easy to do (you could even script it ;-) ) edit: hmm after studying your code a bit more you also need to create the new file system. I honestly don't see the use.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:29 am    Post subject: Re: [Howto] Creation of a Stage 5 archive Reply with quote

alexdu wrote:
d2_racing wrote:
Now you will have a Gentoo back on track.

Hi.

I don't understand :?
if someone needs to make/restore a *nix snapshot why do not use simple low level coping:
Code:
# cp /dev/hda1 ...
; or even
# cp /dev/hda ...
; later mount LiveCD and do back
# cp ... /dev/hda1
; or
# cp ... /dev/hda


you can pipe it any way you want - tar, scp, bzip...

Also, playing with tools like resize_reiserfs you can shrink or expand your partition.
You can also change the physical order of restored partitions - all you need is to fix /etc/fstab after restore. (and may be somewhere else if you use raw hard disk access somewhere - it's unusual case)
If you want to change something in the saved binary image, you can mount it as a loop device: mount -o loop file... mountpoint.... , while it is a single partition and not compressed or splitted.

Simple cp won't preserve atimes for example (and some other things too), and some software uses that. So when you restore the data you'll find yourself in some problems.
I once read a nice document about this on the internet, but (by murphy) I can't find it now. Maybe more luck later...

EDIT: Indeed... here is the link describing (also) the possible problems with different ways of backing up unix systems: http://www.halfgaar.net/backing-up-unix
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the article :)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Quote:
The Stage 5 act like Ghost or Acronis True Image.In fact, you can backup a complete partition.With this stage, you can backup a complete HDD and transfer it to a new one without any problems.The technique can be use by administrator, because in case of a crash, they can restore only the partition that failed.


As I have seen Acronis True Image is mentioned.

Does this script really reconstruct everything?

Does this script restore on a new individual harddisk my windo**s, my ntfs-data-partition, my root partition with ext3, my boot partition with ext2?
What does this script with partioning? Assume i want to restore it to a smaller/bigger hdd? Do I have to use gparted before? Is the MBR proper restored? Is grub proper restored?

Thanks, Roman
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, the Stage 5 is use to backup a *nix parittion.

So everything from ext2,ext3,ReiserFS etc... can do the job.

But, I didn't test for a FAT32 partition.

Also, you cannot bakcup a NTFS partition with the Stage 5 script and the MBR.

But, Acronis True Image can backup a HDD that constain a NTFS,EXT3,EXT2 and also a MBR without any troubles.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) Why do "rm /usr/portage/distfiles/*"? Instead of removing your distfiles, just have that directory excluded.

2) The major reason that you created this script is because stage4 didn't (previously) copy /dev/console for you and currently doesn't copy /dev/tty1 for you. On the other hand, copying /dev/tty1 can be done with stage4 by adding it to the default include list.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

for a succesfull boot you only need /dev/{console,null} /dev/tty is not mandatory to have, and udev would generate that anyways for you after the init sequence begins.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

likewhoa wrote:
for a succesfull boot you only need /dev/{console,null} /dev/tty is not mandatory to have, and udev would generate that anyways for you after the init sequence begins.


But apparently it is needed for gensplash.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

agreed.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point, though, was that a new backup method is unnecessary to get what he wanted.
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