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fehlfarbe Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 28 Dec 2003 Posts: 81 Location: berlin
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: |
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thank you all for your responses. i didn't want to troll around, but i am getting upset every time i see java-sun in my dependency tree.
if i would develop the portage tree, i would assign a useflag "sun" and one for "blackdown". the useflag "java" would be a reference to blackdown (opt-in sun's java). but the most ugly thing: the useflag "doc": what would you think means a useflag "doc"? a specific global useflag for minesweeper documentation? or a specific useflag for IE-7 documentation? no! a doc useflag should be a global useflag for *EVERY* package. that is what i expect from the useflag "doc". i hardly can except that "doc" is a useflag for ONE package... that needs to get fixed, or do you think i am wrong?
i use nvidia too - that isn't open source too, but i have to tell portage to get it (and i have to set a more meaningful useflag than "doc" for that).
can somebody tell me, why the "doc" useflag was assigned for "java-doc"? _________________ Adopt an Unanswered Post |
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fehlfarbe Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 28 Dec 2003 Posts: 81 Location: berlin
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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by the way: if i were a gentoo package maintainer, i would think 3 times before i would add java-sun to the portage tree (because of its restrictions).
and sorry for the first posting, of course i speek only for me. but i am not a troll.
anyway, think of the naming policy for useflags:
"red" for a emerge of KDE with a red desktop-background
"debug" for a debug settings of MySQL server
"dontask" for Thunderbird
"PS2" for xserver with a ps2 mice.
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that is the same like
"doc" for java! _________________ Adopt an Unanswered Post |
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Redhatter Retired Dev
Joined: 20 Sep 2003 Posts: 548 Location: Brisbane, QLD, Australia
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sure the developer who committed the initial Sun Java ebuild, thought more than just three times before adding it to the tree.
Throw it in your own package.mask, unmerge it, do whatever... but it's there to stay. Especially now that it's about to be released under the GPL. _________________ Stuart Longland (a.k.a Redhatter, VK4MSL)
I haven't lost my mind - it's backed up on a tape somewhere...
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fehlfarbe Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 28 Dec 2003 Posts: 81 Location: berlin
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Earthwings Bodhisattva
Joined: 14 Apr 2003 Posts: 7753 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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fehlfarbe wrote: | if i would develop the portage tree, i would assign a useflag "sun" and one for "blackdown". the useflag "java" would be a reference to blackdown (opt-in sun's java). |
Good you're not as you'd probably remove dependencies and virtuals in favour of use flags.
fehlfarbe wrote: | but the most ugly thing: the useflag "doc": what would you think means a useflag "doc"? a specific global useflag for minesweeper documentation? or a specific useflag for IE-7 documentation? no! a doc useflag should be a global useflag for *EVERY* package. that is what i expect from the useflag "doc". i hardly can except that "doc" is a useflag for ONE package... that needs to get fixed, or do you think i am wrong? |
doc is a global useflag, and several people in this thread told you about it and additionally how to unset it for jdk's only. So please now read the replies, otherwise I won't believe you any longer when you say you're not just trolling around. _________________ KDE |
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revenger n00b
Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 23 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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i think you're confusing java-sdk-docs with sun-jdk. because blackdown doesn't come with it's own documentation, the blackdown ebuild pulls sun's documentation package when the doc flag is enabled. |
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fehlfarbe Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 28 Dec 2003 Posts: 81 Location: berlin
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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@Earthwings: if i didnt have "java-jdk" emerged, why would emerge pull the java-sdk-doc package? but revenger has the answer:
@revenger: thank you, this is the thing i didn't see. blackdown pulls the java doc from sun. thank you. _________________ Adopt an Unanswered Post |
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didymos Advocate
Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 4798 Location: California
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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Guys, have we been feeding a troll? _________________ Thomas S. Howard |
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Redhatter Retired Dev
Joined: 20 Sep 2003 Posts: 548 Location: Brisbane, QLD, Australia
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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didymos wrote: | Guys, have we been feeding a troll? |
No, just someone too impatient to more closely read what portage is telling him.
The answer was there all along. _________________ Stuart Longland (a.k.a Redhatter, VK4MSL)
I haven't lost my mind - it's backed up on a tape somewhere...
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Dralnu Veteran
Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 1919
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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Redhatter wrote: | didymos wrote: | Guys, have we been feeding a troll? |
No, just someone too impatient to more closely read what portage is telling him.
The answer was there all along. |
Isn't that the case alot of the time? _________________ The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck, is the day they make a vacuum cleaner. |
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reiman Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 29 May 2004 Posts: 108 Location: sweden
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:08 am Post subject: |
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speak for yourself, I like the features in 1.5 |
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Pafnoutios n00b
Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Posts: 15 Location: Spokane, WA
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:56 am Post subject: Re: why is sun java still in portage? |
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6thpink wrote: |
I hate and dont feel a need for gnome either, what about removing it? |
Yes, Fluxbox is good enough for us! Lets remove Gnome and all of those KDE packages.
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wuzzerd Guru
Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 466 Location: New Mexico
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:22 am Post subject: Re: why is sun java still in portage? |
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Pafnoutios wrote: | 6thpink wrote: |
I hate and dont feel a need for gnome either, what about removing it? |
Yes, Fluxbox is good enough for us! Lets remove Gnome and all of those KDE packages.
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My browser in Flux is konqueror. (among others) |
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Dralnu Veteran
Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 1919
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:42 am Post subject: Re: why is sun java still in portage? |
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wuzzerd wrote: | Pafnoutios wrote: | 6thpink wrote: |
I hate and dont feel a need for gnome either, what about removing it? |
Yes, Fluxbox is good enough for us! Lets remove Gnome and all of those KDE packages.
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My browser in Flux is konqueror. (among others) |
Konq suxorz! Firefox rules!
and why do you need a fm anyways? _________________ The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck, is the day they make a vacuum cleaner. |
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wuzzerd Guru
Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 466 Location: New Mexico
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:11 am Post subject: Re: why is sun java still in portage? |
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Dralnu wrote: | wuzzerd wrote: | Pafnoutios wrote: | 6thpink wrote: |
I hate and dont feel a need for gnome either, what about removing it? |
Yes, Fluxbox is good enough for us! Lets remove Gnome and all of those KDE packages.
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My browser in Flux is konqueror. (among others) |
and why do you need a fm anyways?
Konq suxorz! Firefox rules! |
My main fm is mc. Use conq to use sun-java. [see subject ] |
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Dralnu Veteran
Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 1919
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:29 am Post subject: Re: why is sun java still in portage? |
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wuzzerd wrote: | Dralnu wrote: | wuzzerd wrote: | Pafnoutios wrote: | 6thpink wrote: |
I hate and dont feel a need for gnome either, what about removing it? |
Yes, Fluxbox is good enough for us! Lets remove Gnome and all of those KDE packages.
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My browser in Flux is konqueror. (among others) |
and why do you need a fm anyways?
Konq suxorz! Firefox rules! |
My main fm is mc. Use conq to use sun-java. [see subject ] |
Eh, I could care less. Actually, jdk got onto my system, and man is it a pain to get rid of... _________________ The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck, is the day they make a vacuum cleaner. |
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cjubon Guru
Joined: 03 Jul 2007 Posts: 450 Location: Vienna/Europe
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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fehlfarbe wrote: | i am getting upset every time i see java-sun in my dependency tree. |
You can do the following: Code: | # rm -r /usr/portage/dev-java/sun-*
# nano -w /etc/portage/rsync_excludes | and then add the following line:
Emerge --sync will now exclude all sun related java stuff.
Now try to emerge for example tomcat. Have fun _________________ Mandrake Dec 2001 · Debian "Woody" Aug 2002 · Gentoo Jan 2004 · Funtoo Oct 2009 |
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jonnevers Veteran
Joined: 02 Jan 2003 Posts: 1594 Location: Gentoo64 land
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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just a note, because i hate such misinformed users ranting:
Sun has released the JDK source code (except some still encumbered pieces they don't have the rights to convert to GPL), awhile ago. There has been an effort underway to plug those holes using GNU classpath, and they've gotten good results.
http://openjdk.java.net/
if you insist on using a OSS java, pull down the java-overlay and go to town compiling sun-jdk-1.7.x...
it's GPL'd and blackdown *sucks* (developer perspective, though i find it unusable as a user too). sorry blackdown developers, you had a lofted goal but you never quite got there. |
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nestal n00b
Joined: 11 Apr 2003 Posts: 34 Location: Milky Way
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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cjubon wrote: | fehlfarbe wrote: | i am getting upset every time i see java-sun in my dependency tree. |
You can do the following: Code: | # rm -r /usr/portage/dev-java/sun-*
# nano -w /etc/portage/rsync_excludes | and then add the following line:
Emerge --sync will now exclude all sun related java stuff.
Now try to emerge for example tomcat. Have fun |
I have been using Gentoo for 5 years and still surprised by its flexibility. |
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cjubon Guru
Joined: 03 Jul 2007 Posts: 450 Location: Vienna/Europe
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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nestal wrote: | I have been using Gentoo for 5 years and still surprised by its flexibility. |
Yeah, me as well. If you're interested, the topic is covered in the Gentoo handbook, part III, 5: Diverting from the official tree: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=3&chap=5#doc_chap1
Of course I wouldn't use that feature to exclude sun-jdks , but used it to exclude all games and xfce4 related stuff. Similar for standalone servers: just wipe out x11, kde, gnome and friends and enjoy how your syncs will speed up! _________________ Mandrake Dec 2001 · Debian "Woody" Aug 2002 · Gentoo Jan 2004 · Funtoo Oct 2009 |
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Tolstoi l33t
Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 678
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I don't want to install Blackdown manually. Nothing against Java in portage. |
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alistair Retired Dev
Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 869
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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jonnevers wrote: | it's GPL'd and blackdown *sucks* (developer perspective, though i find it unusable as a user too). sorry blackdown developers, you had a lofted goal but you never quite got there. |
there ain't any blackdown devs left, the project has been dead for ever. And seeing that sun also have a proprietary (but still distro friendly, ie blackdown) license why anyone would want to use it is beyond me. _________________ ______________
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legine Guru
Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 555 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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Gentoo is about choice so why rip sun out of portage? (Even if a majority is there that does not like it)
Thats ignorant which is closed as closed mind. As long as one hatches the Ebuild it should stay in portage. Just if no support whatsoever it should be removed from portage.
May be you pull in the sun documentation because there is no other documentation around or it is the best aviable?
Quote: | what would you think means a useflag "doc"? |
I get the documentation of the Java Standard (which is afaik written by sun )
So if you hate sun for what they are I suggest not useing JAVA at all. Since it is all a bit SUN even if it has another name on it.
(Honestly I dont like Java at all. But I install it and use it because some things done in java are beautivully usefull.)
Hehe. Enjoy the choice.
Cheers _________________ quote from Spaceballs:
Dark Helmet:[...] we were told to comb the desert, so we're combing it! [puts down bullhorn] Find anything yet?!
Soldier: Nothing yet, sir. |
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