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bLUEbYTE84
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 Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:39 pm Post subject: Do I really need aRts? |
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Hi,
aRts sound daemon of KDE causes me problems (with Flash player specifically), and when I disable it the problem goes away. It gets in a clash with ALSA I think. I prefer ALSA anyway. I don't care about KDE event sounds, so do I really need aRts at all? I am considering to add -alsa USe flag and emerge -DuN world. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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I might be wrong but I think you can replace it with the use flag gstreamer, but need to check on this just a quick reply here. 
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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I've never enabled aRts, and things work OK so far (amarok, mplayer, kaffeine, etc)
I also get desktop sounds using external player settings (ogg123 as player). |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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Same here  . I disabled arts use flag a long time ago and every application I use works fine. Arts always caused more problems than it should  . |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| You dont need it. Use an external player for events if you like them, and alsa for the rest of applications. Arts is never needed and it just has no reason to exist. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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There was a thread on "kicking out arts the right way", to sum it up:
add -arts to your use flags
add arts flag to kdm, kdelibs and mpeglib to get previews in konqueror and stuff, and because kdm sometimes acts stupid without the arts flag.
now, copy this script into /usr/bin/Ksplay:
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sox "$@" -v 1.0 -q -t alsa default &
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emerge sox to get an external sound player for kdm events. Go into the control center, click system notifications and click "player settings" near the bottom. Click "use external player" and then type /usr/bin/Ksplay.
That should do it.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| FWIW, kdelibs is patched now so you don't need to have arts enabled anymore, haven't checked on the others. But I built everything with -arts and haven't noticed any missing sound or unusual behavior. |
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bLUEbYTE84
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| Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Thx all. I added -arts and did emerge -DuN world shortly after creating this thread. Everything seems to be in order. Anything that I should check specifically? I don't need KDE event sounds.
| Quote: | | Arts is never needed and it just has no reason to exist. |
I think it does have reason to exist... Adding latency to the sound output 
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| Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| bLUEbYTE84 wrote: | | Thx all. I added -alsa and did emerge -DuN world shortly after creating this thread. Everything seems to be in order. Anything that I should check specifically? I don't need KDE event sounds. |
Did you mean -arts, you typed, -alsa. -alsa is an entirely different thing
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| Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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BTW, the reason for arts was to enable multiple sounds to be played at once, such as while an mp3 is playing, and new mail comes in and goes ding.
Without arts, the ding wouldn't happen, unless your sound card had the ability to do hardware mixing (common now, didn't used to be so).
Alsa, through dmix, now has this capablity, so as far as I can see, there really isn't a need for arts.
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| jstead1 wrote: | | bLUEbYTE84 wrote: | | Thx all. I added -alsa and did emerge -DuN world shortly after creating this thread. Everything seems to be in order. Anything that I should check specifically? I don't need KDE event sounds. |
Did you mean -arts, you typed, -alsa. -alsa is an entirely different thing |
Sorry, of course I meant -arts |
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edux
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Without the "arts" use flag, I am unable to emerge kdelibs.
I got the following error:
| Code: | svgicons/.libs/libkdesvgicons.a(libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.o): In function `KSVGIconPainter::setClippingRect(int, int, int, int)':
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0x4fe): undefined reference to `art_alloc(unsigned int)'
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0x5b2): undefined reference to `art_free(void*)'
svgicons/.libs/libkdesvgicons.a(libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.o): In function `KSVGIconPainter::drawEllipse(double, double, double, double)':
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0x686c): undefined reference to `art_alloc(unsigned int)'
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0x6a09): undefined reference to `art_alloc(unsigned int)'
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0x6a76): undefined reference to `art_realloc(void*, unsigned int)'
svgicons/.libs/libkdesvgicons.a(libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.o): In function `.L2501':
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0x6b1e): undefined reference to `art_free(void*)'
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0x6b4b): undefined reference to `art_free(void*)'
svgicons/.libs/libkdesvgicons.a(libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.o): In function `.L2502':
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0x6d86): undefined reference to `art_alloc(unsigned int)'
svgicons/.libs/libkdesvgicons.a(libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.o): In function `.L2578':
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0x799c): undefined reference to `art_alloc(unsigned int)'
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0x7a16): undefined reference to `art_realloc(void*, unsigned int)'
svgicons/.libs/libkdesvgicons.a(libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.o): In function `.L3147':
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0x7d55): undefined reference to `art_free(void*)'
svgicons/.libs/libkdesvgicons.a(libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.o): In function `.L3151':
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0x9bb7): undefined reference to `art_alloc(unsigned int)'
svgicons/.libs/libkdesvgicons.a(libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.o): In function `KSVGIconPainter::drawRectangle(double, double, double, double, double, double)':
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0xb365): undefined reference to `art_alloc(unsigned int)'
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0xb450): undefined reference to `art_free(void*)'
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0xb4a0): undefined reference to `art_alloc(unsigned int)'
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0xb701): undefined reference to `art_alloc(unsigned int)'
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0xb766): undefined reference to `art_realloc(void*, unsigned int)'
svgicons/.libs/libkdesvgicons.a(libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.o): In function `.L3418':
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0xb816): undefined reference to `art_free(void*)'
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0xb884): undefined reference to `art_free(void*)'
svgicons/.libs/libkdesvgicons.a(libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.o): In function `.L3422':
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0xbdc5): undefined reference to `art_alloc(unsigned int)'
svgicons/.libs/libkdesvgicons.a(libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.o): In function `KSVGIconPainter::drawPolygon(QPointArray)':
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0xc12f): undefined reference to `art_alloc(unsigned int)'
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0xc2bb): undefined reference to `art_free(void*)'
svgicons/.libs/libkdesvgicons.a(libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.o): In function `KSVGIconPainter::drawPolyline(QPointArray, int)':
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0xc376): undefined reference to `art_alloc(unsigned int)'
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0xc4c0): undefined reference to `art_free(void*)'
svgicons/.libs/libkdesvgicons.a(libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.o): In function `KSVGIconPainter::drawLine(double, double, double, double)':
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0xc5d6): undefined reference to `art_alloc(unsigned int)'
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text+0xc65c): undefined reference to `art_free(void*)'
svgicons/.libs/libkdesvgicons.a(libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.o): In function `KSVGIconPainterHelper::KSVGIconPainterHelper(int, int, KSVGIconPainter*)':
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text._ZN21KSVGIconPainterHelperC1EiiP15KSVGIconPainter[KSVGIconPainterHelper::KSVGIconPainterHelper(int, int, KSVGIconPainter*)]+0x21d): undefined reference to `art_alloc(unsigned int)'
svgicons/.libs/libkdesvgicons.a(libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.o): In function `KSVGIconPainterHelper::~KSVGIconPainterHelper()':
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text._ZN21KSVGIconPainterHelperD1Ev[KSVGIconPainterHelper::~KSVGIconPainterHelper()]+0x2f): undefined reference to `art_free(void*)'
svgicons/.libs/libkdesvgicons.a(libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.o): In function `KSVGIconPainterHelper::drawPathInternal(_ArtVpath*, double*)':
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text._ZN21KSVGIconPainterHelper16drawPathInternalEP9_ArtVpathPd[KSVGIconPainterHelper::drawPathInternal(_ArtVpath*, double*)]+0x6b0): undefined reference to `art_free(void*)'
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text._ZN21KSVGIconPainterHelper16drawPathInternalEP9_ArtVpathPd[KSVGIconPainterHelper::drawPathInternal(_ArtVpath*, double*)]+0x72d): undefined reference to `art_free(void*)'
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text._ZN21KSVGIconPainterHelper16drawPathInternalEP9_ArtVpathPd[KSVGIconPainterHelper::drawPathInternal(_ArtVpath*, double*)]+0xac9): undefined reference to `art_free(void*)'
libkdesvgicons_la.all_cpp.cpp:(.text._ZN21KSVGIconPainterHelper16drawPathInternalEP9_ArtVpathPd[KSVGIconPainterHelper::drawPathInternal(_ArtVpath*, double*)]+0xbbf): undefined reference to `art_alloc(unsigned int)'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[4]: *** [libkdecore.la] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.6-r2/work/kdelibs-3.5.6/kdecore'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.6-r2/work/kdelibs-3.5.6/kdecore'
make[2]: *** [all] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.6-r2/work/kdelibs-3.5.6/kdecore'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.6-r2/work/kdelibs-3.5.6'
make: *** [all] Error 2
!!! ERROR: kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.6-r2 failed.
Call stack:
ebuild.sh, line 1614: Called dyn_compile
ebuild.sh, line 971: Called qa_call 'src_compile'
environment, line 4751: Called src_compile
kdelibs-3.5.6-r2.ebuild, line 162: Called kde_src_compile
kde.eclass, line 170: Called kde_src_compile 'all'
kde.eclass, line 340: Called kde_src_compile 'myconf' 'configure' 'make'
kde.eclass, line 336: Called die
!!! died running emake, kde_src_compile:make
!!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant.
!!! A complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.6-r2/temp/build.log'.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:23 am Post subject: |
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@edux: see this bug: it says that the problem is in media-libs/libart_lgpl-2.3.18. Try to downgrade this package to stable version 2.3.17.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| I always had -arts in my USE flags and never ran into any problems with amarok or kde |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:32 am Post subject: |
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The problem was the testing version of libart, now with the stable version I'm emerging it without any problem.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder why Gnome still depends unconditionally on Esound... It's the same shit as ARTS, something that should have long disappeared along with OSS.
And to top it off, Esound compares to ARTS as a worn-down tricycle compares to a brand new mountain bike.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| sonicbhoc wrote: | There was a thread on "kicking out arts the right way", to sum it up:
add -arts to your use flags
add arts flag to kdm, kdelibs and mpeglib to get previews in konqueror and stuff, and because kdm sometimes acts stupid without the arts flag.
now, copy this script into /usr/bin/Ksplay:
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#! /bin/sh
sox "$@" -v 1.0 -q -t alsa default &
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emerge sox to get an external sound player for kdm events. Go into the control center, click system notifications and click "player settings" near the bottom. Click "use external player" and then type /usr/bin/Ksplay.
That should do it. |
this did not do it.
As a matter of fact, there was no Ksplay file in /usr/bin
While I love Gentoo, this is really frustrating..... I was able to get sound working easilly on RedHat and SuSE when I used those distributions.... I just recently switched back to Gentoo.... 'cause I know when I get through these few problems, I'll have the best distribution out there.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| scawa wrote: | | sonicbhoc wrote: |
now, copy this script into /usr/bin/Ksplay:
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#! /bin/sh
sox "$@" -v 1.0 -q -t alsa default &
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emerge sox to get an external sound player for kdm events. Go into the control center, click system notifications and click "player settings" near the bottom. Click "use external player" and then type /usr/bin/Ksplay.
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this did not do it.
As a matter of fact, there was no Ksplay file in /usr/bin
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Please, read carefully. There is no Kspaly in /usr/bin, you are supposed to put it there.
Also, read my post above, if you don't want to create your own script you can use "play", which is included in the sox package, that way you don't need to create a Ksplay file. Just use "play" in the kcontrol dialog for a external player.
The rest of distros are another thing, they have all the things enabled, including arts. If you want you can enable all the use flags in gentoo and you will. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks...
I did create the Ksplay file and put the script into it. As I said, I followed all your instructions... and
it still didn't work.
It really doesn't matter to me how I get sound in my system... just so that I get sound.
I appreciate your help.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| @scawa, is your sound working outside the kde notifications? mplayer and the like? Can you play a sound via the play command at command line? |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: Ksplay |
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| Not to be pedantic but did you use chmod to make it executable? chmod 755 or a+x ? |
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