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| Do you want to migrate Gentoo web site to Zope? |
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| No, I am for PHP/Perl/Java etc |
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axxackall
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 Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 3:35 pm Post subject: Zope (and Plone) for Gentoo online community |
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Gentoo's best peace of art is Portage, which is written on Python. I guess that may let me to consider Gentoo community as a Python-centric one.
Why Gentoo web site is not done with Zope, the best content and community management technology, which is also the best Python application? Forums are PHP-based, the main site I heard is Perl based. Why?
Why not use Zope (especially with its best product Plone) and thus having the most customizable system? Why not let people to leave comments (paragaph or page bound) and thus to participate in content development of the site? Why not integrate issue tracking with forums and news (see: CMFCollectorNG)? Why not have both thread and board based forums (see Squishdot and fcForum)? Why not have portal member folders where regular mortals (not only core team developers) can host their software projects (aka Sourceforge)?
If you have a lack of free Zope hands for it then I for one is ready to devote as much time as I can to help migrating Gentoo web site to Zope. And I call for everyone who knows (and thus loves) Zope to stand up and say so, if you agree to help somehow with it.
Examples: Zope. Plone, new Zope site, Squishdot, downloads.
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nephros
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Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Location: Graz, Austria (Europe - no kangaroos.)
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 3:58 pm Post subject: Worth the effort? |
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I don't know squat about the Gentoo Homepage internals, or its complexity, but IMO the things on it right now are pretty straight-forward, and not a lot of dynamic content.
So would it be worth the effort?
What would be the gains?
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klieber
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2003 10:49 am Post subject: |
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I don't see us moving towards more dynamic content any time soon. I, for one, am strongly against any such move. The way our current system works now is very effective and very scalable. Since it's all static content (well, static XML which gets transformed to HTML on the fly) scaling www.gentoo.org is as simple as adding a new server into the DNS round robin. No need to worry about mysql as a bottleneck and/or single point of failure.
Zope is cool. Plone is cool. But that doesn't mean we need to/should use them. IMO, it doesn't give us anything we *need* that our current system doesn't already offer. It also introduces several problems and drawbacks into our system that are not currently there.
--kurt
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klieber
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2003 10:52 am Post subject: Re: Zope (and Plone) for Gentoo online community |
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| axxackall wrote: | | Forums are PHP-based, the main site I heard is Perl based. Why? |
Forums are PHP based because that's what phpBB is written in.
The main site is dependent on AxKit, which is perl-based, but is also highly scalable. A single dual-PII400 shook off the slashdot effect like it was nothing. Show me *any* dynamic CMS that can achieve the same results. (hint: there isn't one)
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StrCrssd
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Location: McAllen, TX USA
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2003 6:44 pm Post subject: Plone |
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I like the idea of moving to a plone-like system, putting everything under one roof....
Figure out some way to wiki-fy the howto documents, move the forums into plone (I'm sure there's a module for it), possibly split the forums into a bug-tracker that the community deals with (for help and suggestions) and a true forum for chat and such...
I think it would be an excellent idea.
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carl
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Location: Michigan, USA
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2003 2:48 am Post subject: Re: Plone |
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| StrCrssd wrote: | ...
Figure out some way to wiki-fy the howto documents ...
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As a member of the Documentation Team, I'm opposed to that. One of the things that scares a lot of people off from trying Gentoo is the idea that it's complicated to use or install. As long as we have a core group of people who are working on the docs, we can ensure consistency across groupings of topics and a high level of quality.
And honestly, we already have a "Wiki-fied" documentation section: the forums. |
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carl
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2003 2:51 am Post subject: Re: Zope (and Plone) for Gentoo online community |
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| klieber wrote: | | axxackall wrote: | | Forums are PHP-based, the main site I heard is Perl based. Why? |
Forums are PHP based because that's what phpBB is written in.
The main site is dependent on AxKit, which is perl-based, but is also highly scalable. A single dual-PII400 shook off the slashdot effect like it was nothing. Show me *any* dynamic CMS that can achieve the same results. (hint: there isn't one)
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Kurt raises some excellent points, and I find myself in total agreement.
While I'm currently considering going with Plone for my office Web site (I need something that will enable secretaries to update the site when I graduate), and while I'm a proponent of "that's cool--let's use it!", I don't think all that applies here. If it ain't broke, do not undertake endeavours to repair the presumed non-functioning device. |
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panserg
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Seems PHPBB has many problems with MySQL today on Gentoo forums. That just proves one more time that the current installation is not perfect and can be easily broken. Although, after my own experience with PHP/MySQL applications, I keep thinking that the problem is in technology, not in particular hands handling it.
I think I'll begin prototyping of new Gentoo side next weekend or so. Any zope/plone volonteers to help? |
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klieber
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| panserg wrote: | | Seems PHPBB has many problems with MySQL today on Gentoo forums. That just proves one more time that the current installation is not perfect and can be easily broken. |
No, the problem is in the fact that the server is *very* overloaded at the moment. Frankly, I'm amazed that it's held up as well as it has.
We do have the new hardware in place for a new forums server -- it should be up and running RSN.
| panserg wrote: | | I think I'll begin prototyping of new Gentoo side next weekend or so. Any zope/plone volonteers to help? |
Feel free. However, I have no interest in migrating away from phpBB and/or MySQL as our platform of choice for the Gentoo Forums. Just to set your expectations appropriately.
--kurt
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