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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:03 am    Post subject: Whither XMMS? [SOLVED] Reply with quote

I just emerge sync'ed, and now all xmms are hard masked. Is this intentional? Is there something nearly equivalent that I should be using instead because it's a lot better?

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* media-sound/xmms
     Available versions:  [M]1.2.10-r14 [M]1.2.10-r15 [M]1.2.10-r16
     Installed:           1.2.10-r15
     Homepage:            http://www.xmms.org/
     Description:         X MultiMedia System


Thanks in advance.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:39 am    Post subject: Whither XMMS? [SOLVED] Reply with quote

Ah, just merged again, and the latest package.mask says, 'use audacious instead'. So I'll give it a whirl.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Audacious doesn't seem to have as many plugins as xmms does. Or are all those features built in? Is there something like the xmms-status-plugin for Audacious?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, doesn't seem so. I just test-emerged audacious, and I like it. Allthough I don't really see any big differences for my use ... just playing music. But I need an alarm plugin like xmms-alarm, and there's none for audacious. At the audacious forums a guy started a port for an alarm plugin, but his last message is from may. Additionally I have a nice working lirc setup for xmms and I'm too lazy to configure it for audacious (never change a running audio player? :) ). So I want to keep using xmms ...

And there's the problem: doing an emerge -Duvan world shows me quite a big list of packages that want to be recompiled because of the new use flag "-xmms". I unmasked xmms and added "xmms" to my make.conf, but portage seems to ignore that. What's the problem with xmms at all? Why is it masked? package.mask only says:

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# Pending removal 23 November for multiple bugs
# Use media-sound/audacious
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just FYI for you and everyone else that stumbles upon this thread. If you had xmms set in your use flags, then, go ahead and remove xmms form your use flags if you explicitly set them, Run
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equery hasuse xmms
, then re-emerge the applications listed. Then the next emerge world won't try to emerge the now masked xmms.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:29 am    Post subject: Problem with emerge -uD world and xmms Reply with quote

Hi all,

I tried doing an emerge -uDp world this morning and got the following error.

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These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating world dependencies /
!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=media-sound/xmms-1.2.10-r12" have been masked.
!!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
- media-sound/xmms-1.2.10-r16 (masked by: package.mask)
# Diego Pettenò <flameeyes@gentoo.org> (23 Oct 2006)
# Pending removal 23 November for multiple bugs
# Use media-sound/audacious

- media-sound/xmms-1.2.10-r14 (masked by: package.mask)
- media-sound/xmms-1.2.10-r15 (masked by: package.mask)

For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or
refer to the Gentoo Handbook.
(dependency required by "media-plugins/xmms-mpg123-1.2.10-r1" [ebuild])



!!! Problem resolving dependencies for media-plugins/xmms-mpg123
!!! Depgraph creation failed.


Usually I can figure these things out, but, for some reason, that's not the case this time around. Any thoughts?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hehe:) I think everylthing you need to know was written :)
media-plugins/xmms-mpg123-1.2.10-r1 is not masked whereas xmms is ;) You can copy xmms ebuild to overlay and then change keywords in ebuild or unmask it in pakcage.keywords
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

does it make any difference if i use amarok and now its been recompiled without xmms USE flag?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i stopped using xmms a while ago, because amarok is just better :) but anyhow, i used audacious for a while too, but xmms was just better, the interface is more like original winamp und not quite so unstable ...

any word out there why xmms should be replaced by audacious, or Diego Pettenò <flameeyes@gentoo.org> just hates xmms? ;) somewhere i read that there is a totaly new version of xmms in develeopment, that is more like mpd ..?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/41635/focus=41635
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/43518/focus=43518

Audacious is quite the same, and Amarok is just the best anyway ;)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kfiaciarka wrote:
hehe:) I think everylthing you need to know was written :)
media-plugins/xmms-mpg123-1.2.10-r1 is not masked whereas xmms is ;) You can copy xmms ebuild to overlay and then change keywords in ebuild or unmask it in pakcage.keywords


Unmasking xmms did absolutely nothing to resolve the situation. I forgot to mention I tried doing this, but to no avail.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You probably need to unmask more xmms stuff, check the entry in package.mask. Or even better; unmerge xmms and use something else.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nxsty wrote:
You probably need to unmask more xmms stuff, check the entry in package.mask. Or even better; unmerge xmms and use something else.


There's absolutely nothing in package.mask pertaining to sound, xmms, etc. I don't have any real interest in trying another music player right now. I tried various players and didn't really like them as much as xmms.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thx!

btw:
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>> They'll be removed next month... so that I can have my birthday present from
>> Gentoo... getting rid of xmms finally...
>>
>> Yes this is long overdue...
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> I think masking is premature; there was never any sort of decision made in the
> previous discussion(s) about this.

It appears Deigo has made a decision,
What do you think this is, a democracy?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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eix -s xmms
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

evoweiss wrote:
nxsty wrote:
You probably need to unmask more xmms stuff, check the entry in package.mask. Or even better; unmerge xmms and use something else.


There's absolutely nothing in package.mask pertaining to sound, xmms, etc. I don't have any real interest in trying another music player right now. I tried various players and didn't really like them as much as xmms.

Alex


What about this stuff?
http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?r1=1.6103&r2=1.6106

Add it to your packge.unmask and if it still doesn´t work post the new error message.

Xmms is dead upstream for long, unmaintained and has unresolved bugs. Using it is asking for problems.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

It's very long as it goes through all the minor xmms packages, but if I just stick to media-sound/xmms I get:

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* media-sound/xmms
     Available versions:  [M]1.2.10-r14 [M]1.2.10-r15 [M]1.2.10-r16
     Installed:           1.2.10-r15
     Homepage:            http://www.xmms.org/
     Description:         X MultiMedia System


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yuck... all of that looks nasty. I guess I'll have to reluctantly change media players. What would be the closest thing to xmms?

Best,

Alex

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nxsty wrote:
You probably need to unmask more xmms stuff, check the entry in package.mask. Or even better; unmerge xmms and use something else.


There's absolutely nothing in package.mask pertaining to sound, xmms, etc. I don't have any real interest in trying another music player right now. I tried various players and didn't really like them as much as xmms.

Alex


What about this stuff?
http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?r1=1.6103&r2=1.6106

Add it to your packge.unmask and if it still doesn´t work post the new error message.

Xmms is dead upstream for long, unmaintained and has unresolved bugs. Using it is asking for problems.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Use media-sound/audacious

As it was in the first post ;) There are many players audacious, amarok (both support last.fm if you care abuot it). I personally like Music On Console (moc).
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should take a look at this errormessage at your first post. It says:

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# Use media-sound/audacious


Although audacious is good, I have some problems with its playlist resizing -- it behaves strangely. Is it known issue?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:09 am    Post subject: xmms masked???? Reply with quote

Hi,

(1) Why is xmms masked? I'm using xmms (with infopipe) since more than 5 years now - without any problems. So what is the reason for masking these packages?
(2) Is this somehow correlated to the fact, that I'm upset after every "emerge --sync"???

My fvwm configuration depends on xmms. After breaking my Xorg (with i910) you are now breaking my whole X configuration. Why??


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A little surprising, but hey If the energy goes towards something more worthwhile I'm all for it. Maybe they even get amarok back on track, 1.4 has been a neverending bug nightmare for me.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can look here
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/41635/focus=41635
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/43518/focus=43518

and here
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-509880-highlight-xmms.html
and here
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-509819-highlight-xmms.html

I think broken Upstream is the main issue.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a xmms2 ebuild on bugzilla. https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93583, but xmms2 is still experimental at this time.

Another possibility will be to put xmms in an overlay, but I don't know if someone (debian maybe?) made some fixes for the bugs. The future of xmms is xmms2, and xmms don't have unique feature. If you look at the alsaplayer, it have an unique feature: a very good speed control that have a very simple API (much better as the xmms-speed plugin). Debian made some bug fixes for it. The shame is at they are even not incorporated in the cvs tree of alsaplayer at sourceforge because the admin of the project just don't care of linux anymore.

EDIT: I just see at I have been approved as new admin for the alsaplayer project, so we can soon espect a new bug fixes release with the debian fixes.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gentlemen,
particularly xmms maintainer:

I went round the loop of trying out alternative media players several times, including once in the last couple of months. I did not find anything which I preferred to XMMS for the following reasons:
- smallest code footprint (including dependency gtk1 !)
- least number of random 'alternative media lib' package dependencies
- smallest running memory footprint vs features
- least CPU usage (excluding console mpg123)
- simplicity of interface
- winamp skin support
- stability

Despite the fact that it's not being actively developed any more, it still works for me, better than any other player.
I think you will find many people of the same opinion.

When you compare some of the things living in /media-sound/ in portage, getting rid of xmms seems incredible.

Do you need a maintainer to volunteer?

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