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What age group are you?
25 and below
9%
 9%  [ 5 ]
26 and up
90%
 90%  [ 46 ]
Total Votes : 51

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:16 pm    Post subject: Is Gentoo user base Old or Young? Reply with quote

Being 20 myself and just having gotten into Gentoo yesterday (but learning alot about Linux beforehand) I'm curious to know if my generation or the 'Mllennials' is more prevalent than Generation-X. Which I doubt because of certain OS's, and Generation-X simply has more reason to use Gentoo imo due to their work or personal projects .. Not saying some teens don't have any projects that their very interested in, but I just assume their more into video games (like I was) than say making a drone.. Everyone is different though with different things motivating them so I could be wrong, in any case it would be interesting to see the results of this poll so I'll let it go for 7 days, cheers!!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got news for you, there is life even after 70.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Related thread https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-963198.html
Any other threads?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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there is life even after 70.
Even more surprising, there is some life between 25 and 26 as well.
Too bad most of the people born in 1900 doesn't really have any available option in this poll :lol:
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was born February 1927.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect the OP was more interested in the people born after ~1990... where CPU cycles to waste on frivolous stuff like plug and play was just starting to grow...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was born February 1927.
Gerard.


So was my Mom! Glad to see there's hope for me. And glad to see someone that can call me "kid"!

26 is old? I've got a grandson turning 26 in May!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eccerr0r wrote:
Related thread https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-963198.html
Any other threads?

Just the associated poll thread which has more of a spread of ages.

On the whole, Gentoo users tend to be in their late 20s or early 30s and up, having worked in IT for a few years, or decades.

Gentoo developers tend to get recruited whilst undergraduates, and seem to get more involved soon after graduation.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Until this time, there are 2 young people vote. Of course, they are you and me :D

Anyway, I'm 22 yo. After being illuminated, I stay in Gentoo, and I love it.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ramdzet wrote:
Until this time, there are 2 young people vote. Of course, they are you and me :D

Anyway, I'm 22 yo. After being illuminated, I stay in Gentoo, and I love it.


I hear ya bro I didn't expect there to be a lot of people around my age but soon I know anyone interested in quality,security and customizeability will come over to Gentoo ;) That would suck though if the vast majority of millennials just stop caring about building electronics themselves altogether, cause I'm not sure who would next lol.. Anyways thanks to all I leaned so much, especially from generation x and have a lot more things to learn including 5 programming languages (c,c++,c#,sql,python) So I'm really excited about making custom firmware,embedded systems,remote systems,custom kernals and programming it all to do whatever I need! I'm not sure how realistic this is though cause I don't know how deep these topics go yet, so I may have to pick in choose :( Is there any reason to use perl over python?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm 68. Not fun to be old. Not fun not to be old. :?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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5 programming languages (c,c++,c#,sql,python)
SQL is not a programming language and the C family are so close to each other it really makes total of 2, with python being the second one.
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So I'm really excited about making custom firmware,embedded systems,remote systems,custom kernals and programming it all to do whatever I need!
So am I
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I'm not sure how realistic this is though
Not very realistic. We're like 50 years late to the show. I can't say I'm very sorry about it though. There's enough fun with high level stuff I hardly care for the low level one, as long as it works.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="szatox"]
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5 programming languages (c,c++,c#,sql,python)
SQL is not a programming language and the C family are so close to each other it really makes total of 2, with python being the second one.
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So I'm really excited about making custom firmware,embedded systems,remote systems,custom kernals and programming it all to do whatever I need!
So am I
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I'm not sure how realistic this is though
Not very realistic. We're like 50 years late to the show. I can't say I'm very sorry about it though. There's enough fun with high level stuff I hardly care for the low level one, as long as it works.[/quote

Something that inspired me to want to understand the kernel is by calling kernel code with the tools the kernel itself provides such as Strace,Perf and Ftrace... These allow you to debug the kernel in a way to make it easy to understand.and even write your own mini OS. Strace allows you see system calls (A OS's API) such as "what data am I sending to google", "where are my log files","what ssh command is my Ruby program running" Then Ftrace allows you to track kernel functions, and with Perf you can track L1 cache misses. Basically the kernel does tons of stuff but the programs tell it what to do using system calls which you can see with the tools..I know this from a YouTube video, but pretty sure it's accurate..
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's cute that a 20yo thinks "old" is 26 and up.

Don't sweat it, I was that way too. I'm 50 and now I consider "old" to be around 70. It's curious that our definition of what "old" means moves with respect to our own age. I wonder if I will ever be "old?"
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

szatox wrote:
SQL is not a programming language

SQL = Structured Query Language :)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irre wrote:
szatox wrote:
SQL is not a programming language

SQL = Structured Query Language :)

Is SQL a legitimate programming language?

I can remember writing some very long SQL triggers full of conditional statements back in the early '90s. It may not be a general purpose programming language, but it's a programming language nonetheless.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol So i am old?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't PostScript Turing Complete?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I heard postscript is turing complete.

Then again some people claim html5 with CSS is also turing complete.

Then the other issue: not all variants of SQL is turing complete.

But a language is a language, does it need to be turing complete? Is English turing complete?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

szatox wrote:
SQL is not a programming language and the C family are so close to each other it really makes total of 2, with python being the second one.
At least with regard to certain points therein, opinions differ.

pilla wrote:
Isn't PostScript Turing Complete?
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desultory wrote:
szatox wrote:
SQL is not a programming language and the C family are so close to each other it really makes total of 2, with python being the second one.
At least with regard to certain points therein, opinions differ.

pilla wrote:
Isn't PostScript Turing Complete?
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Shouldn't click the first link.....
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1clue wrote:
I think it's cute that a 20yo thinks "old" is 26 and up.

Don't sweat it, I was that way too. I'm 50 and now I consider "old" to be around 70. It's curious that our definition of what "old" means moves with respect to our own age. I wonder if I will ever be "old?"

"I'm not as young as I used to be. But there again, I'm not as old as I'm going to be." ;)

For blokes, you know you're old when you start waking up at ungodly hours to urinate.

Lie to yourself all you want, but you're old. ;p
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A programming language need not be turing complete to be a programming language. A programming language certainly need not be turing complete to be a useful language.

Turing completeness means, loosely, that a language can emulate another turing complete language. Which means English is turing complete because it can be used to describe the features of and behavior of pretty much any known computer language.

The argument here IMO centers more around whether sql is a general purpose language. It's not.

The benefit of a general purpose language (c, c++, java, basic, etc) is that it can be used to tackle almost any problem.

The benefit of a special purpose language (sql, lisp, etc) is that they are much better than at what they do than any general purpose language. Meaning the programmer can solve the problem faster using a special purpose language than they could with a general purpose language. Since SQL is the target of everyone's angst, let's use that.

It's easier and more clear to use "select * from Customers" than it is to build a nested structure, filling in names and data types, and sending that off to an ODBC API connected to database server. The nested structures to an odbc api might be more specific, but will probably also be more fragile with respect to unexpected database structure changes.

Surely there are other programmers in this discussion who actually make their living by programming computers in conjunction with databases. It's typical to write in whatever language works best for you, and then use some sort of sql dialect to communicate with the database. There are some pretty nice interfaces which don't exactly count as sql, but they tend to be language-specific.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1clue wrote:

Turing completeness means, loosely, that a language can emulate another turing complete language. Which means English is turing complete because it can be used to describe the features of and behavior of pretty much any known computer language.


I don't think it applies to English (nor other non-programming languages), as by definition it requires computability. Maybe you can say that a human being is Turing complete, because it can interpret English in a way to emulate a Turing machine, but English does not seem well defined enough to be computable by itself.
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pilla wrote:
English does not seem well defined enough to be computable by itself.

It isn't, which is why computer scientists came up with things like BNF, SDL, VDM, Z, etc.
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