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Who would you like most to be a user representative?
_AxS_
2%
 2%  [ 10 ]
AllenJB
0%
 0%  [ 3 ]
Anarcho
1%
 1%  [ 8 ]
ASIO_BOB
1%
 1%  [ 7 ]
cheater1034
5%
 5%  [ 28 ]
CoffeeBuzz
6%
 6%  [ 30 ]
cokehabit
13%
 13%  [ 65 ]
djay
1%
 1%  [ 5 ]
DrChandra
1%
 1%  [ 7 ]
InfoManiac
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
kopp
11%
 11%  [ 54 ]
likewhoa
3%
 3%  [ 17 ]
loki99
3%
 3%  [ 19 ]
lxnay
6%
 6%  [ 33 ]
Monkeh
0%
 0%  [ 1 ]
nephros
6%
 6%  [ 30 ]
nxsty
6%
 6%  [ 29 ]
orick
1%
 1%  [ 6 ]
pablo_supertux
1%
 1%  [ 7 ]
padde
1%
 1%  [ 6 ]
Q-collective
6%
 6%  [ 30 ]
Richard Fish
4%
 4%  [ 23 ]
sluggo
0%
 0%  [ 4 ]
STiGMaTa_ch
2%
 2%  [ 13 ]
taskara
2%
 2%  [ 14 ]
Tiger683
1%
 1%  [ 5 ]
tophisher
0%
 0%  [ 3 ]
toskala
3%
 3%  [ 15 ]
XenoTerraCide
1%
 1%  [ 5 ]
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, voted already, hope that a person that uses Ubuntu or any other OS and not Gentoo doesn't win. They shouldn't even be in the list to vote for them right now. But everything was made with the feets. SO I hope the complete destruction of Gentoo doesn't come when a user of other OS wins.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ubuntu people are just what gentoo needs!

*nods
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aidy wrote:
ubuntu people are just what gentoo needs!

*nods

Please don't make me laugh that hard. One of the best jokes so far.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...

it really doesn't matter what distro the guy uses, as long as he is known by the community imo
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aidy wrote:
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Vote wisely.

clearly you mean 'vote cokehabit'?

Well, not exactly... ;)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, I just voted 'CoffeeBuzz'. Just undergoing the sensation myself. Never seen his postings around though!?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beefrum wrote:
Hmm, I just voted 'CoffeeBuzz'. Just undergoing the sensation myself. Never seen his postings around though!?

Then why on Earth did you vote for him then?!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought we were supposed to not mention any name in the thread not to influence any weak minded voters ?

Concerning people not using Gentoo as their OS, I don't see any problem if they are in touch with the community and do their work right!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kopp wrote:
I thought we were supposed to not mention any name in the thread not to influence any weak minded voters ?

This is correct. For everyone: please try to keep names out of this thread and only post if you need to ask a question.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ow sit... terribly sorry.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uhh Christel. Thx the links.
I have looked at them before the vote. I know what there is written but I see as much harm as I see benefit. It depends if the project is ilfated or not. I would like to find out. So let me play devil advocate a bit:

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Present the views, and represent the interests, of all elements of our diverse user base.

Will we see more Polls what we want?
Will the Devs listen to that Polls?
Or is it more thought as a "Dev news letter".
Kinda like:
[*]The Ricer faction dreams of faster boot up time. they especially wnt to see the new...
[*]Our Gentoo buisness faction has mentioned their concerns about the lack development and inclution in the buisness app section, They would wish a higher concentration with...
[*]The Gamers within the comunity wonder what became of various game in portage, and planing a revolt against certain maintainers. e should ...

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Engage positively with developers and Gentoo projects.
Sounds like Propaganda in my ears :wink:

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Suggest ways in which other users could be engaged and involved in the project, in planning and delivering information and elsewhere.

Hmm, well recruiting that would be?

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Channel information back to the users regarding proceedings of and decisions made in meetings.

More propaganda?

I am not getting tired to say Gentoo is the best ditribution. This opinion is based on what we have in the hole. And I am quite satisfied with that.
So why do we need the user rel Project. Will they get accepted?
Whats the plan to get them accepted.

If you say that our Organisation is hard to understand, how will the userrel Project make it sure that the organisation will become transparent and visible? You have to make already make plans how this will work. Since you can do a lot of wrong things with best intentions here.

At least thats my unqualified and stupid opinion. I personly have best whishes. But I would like to know more.
May hearth has voted for the one I feel best fit. My brain is not convincet of the Idea at all.
So may there be some posts so I get the feeling that I put my money into a good thing?

I am not only adressing the volunteers for the job. It is more a genral thing I would like to know. If there is some more hmm, infos to reat about I would gladly read them. Like the protokoll of the meeting where you guys invented the userrel project. :D (If you have one.)

Well such things. Sorry if I am poking around. I only know that I need more input and not know which are the right questions to it. Sorry if that hole thing makes me stupid or something. But I realy realy like to know more things.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll try to explain what I think the job is, and if I'm wrong, correct me. Basically, the User Representatives hear concerns from the users, bring them to the developers in a coherent and organized fashion, and then tell the users what happens. So, instead of 1000 emails to a developer about a problem or concern, the User Representative will notice that many forum or IRC users are having a problem, and send off an email to the developers. Likewise, they can help explain developers' responses, since a new user might have trouble understanding what an experienced developer says. In other words, they're like a not-insane version of Tom Smykowski from Office Space, the guy who takes the specs from the customers and brings them to the engineers, because the engineers are "not good at interacting with customers"... but in this case, they're also there as a contact person for each group, to streamline communications.

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Tom Smykowski: Well-well look. I already told you: I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, a user help desk?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

legine,

Not so much as a help desk, that will still be the forums and irc.
More a structured full duplex communications channel.

It won't be 'propaganda' as you suggested in an early post because nothing is hidden.
Users can join #gentoo-council, to watch whats happening (its moderated during the formal session) but upen to all before and after. Full logs are posted too. Users can join the assorted mailing lists and irc and check what the user reps are saying. Propaganda (in the sense of telling users what devs want them to hear) is just not possible.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:25 pm    Post subject: Vote field only visible for logged-in forum users Reply with quote

After searching for half an hour where the hack I could vote, I gave it a last try and registered a forum account (yeah, I'm a mailing list fan, don't use forums at all) and reloaded this topic. Finally I got it, right at the top!

It would have been nice if there had been a line telling me that I need to be logged in as a forum user to actually see the vote options. Instead there wasn't anything, as if this was a normal post, not a vote.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dalek wrote:
Q-collective wrote:
Vote wisely.


But there are two really good ones that I have either got help from or seen help a lot of others. Plus, I think they would both be good for this task. I may just let everyone else decide and hope for the best.

:D :D :D :D :D


Better not be talking about Cokehabit! With a name like Coke*, all I can imagine is that he's a coke-head, which is not what the Gentoo community should project as an image. Already, we're using a communist symbol for an icon, next with drugs, we'll only be hearing rants about immorality at the next Republican National Convention!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what do we care about the others...
*mr X* is not stupid, and he knows the community


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aidy wrote:
what do we care about the others...
****** is not stupid, and he knows the community

Will you keep promoting him? Do you know how to read. It doesn't matter someone talked bad about him (personally I don't feel comfortable with him winning either) but you have been promoting him before in this same thread. Plese adhere to the rules and delete every single part of your message that promotes him.

If this is allowed then the poll is not fair so far, they are promoting that guy all over. When I said I hoped no one that used Ubuntu or any other OS should win I weren't specific as to who I was saying it. But if they are going to be able to promote him then we are able to make campaign against him.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seeing the discussions about individual candidates, would it make sense to open a separate topic for each candidate - with a big spoiler warning on top?

FF,

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:12 am    Post subject: Re: Vote field only visible for logged-in forum users Reply with quote

sascha_silbe wrote:
It would have been nice if there had been a line telling me that I need to be logged in as a forum user to actually see the vote options. Instead there wasn't anything, as if this was a normal post, not a vote.

Added a note about this in the first post.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
legine,

Not so much as a help desk, that will still be the forums and irc.
More a structured full duplex communications channel.

It won't be 'propaganda' as you suggested in an early post because nothing is hidden.
Users can join #gentoo-council, to watch whats happening (its moderated during the formal session) but upen to all before and after. Full logs are posted too. Users can join the assorted mailing lists and irc and check what the user reps are saying. Propaganda (in the sense of telling users what devs want them to hear) is just not possible.


Okey. Thats what I wanted to know. I thought that there maybe more to it :D

So sorry if I pushed matters a bit ;)

Have a nice Voteing.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just voted, on a person i've seen contribute alot to the community and has in my eyes shown (s)he has the brains and the commitment to take his/hers ideas far. 8)
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kensai wrote:
Aidy wrote:
what do we care about the others...
****** is not stupid, and he knows the community

Will you keep promoting him? Do you know how to read. It doesn't matter someone talked bad about him (personally I don't feel comfortable with him winning either) but you have been promoting him before in this same thread. Plese adhere to the rules and delete every single part of your message that promotes him.

If this is allowed then the poll is not fair so far, they are promoting that guy all over. When I said I hoped no one that used Ubuntu or any other OS should win I weren't specific as to who I was saying it. But if they are going to be able to promote him then we are able to make campaign against him.
i do use gentoo
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cokehabit wrote:
i do use gentoo

OK even though you are an Ubuntu lover. And *maybe* use Gentoo some day of the month. Thats not the point then, now the point is promotion, so sorry for me telling about your love for Ubuntu. :wink:
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kensai wrote:
cokehabit wrote:
i do use gentoo
OK even though you are an Ubuntu lover. And *maybe* use Gentoo some day of the month. Thats not the point then, now the point is promotion, so sorry for me telling about your love for Ubuntu. :wink:
i dont love ubuntu. You jumped to some wild conclusion about why i went to ubuntu.

I have been in and around the core of gentoo more and longer than you have been and i had good reason. I have tested, developed, organised, written and helped gentoo for years but i get crap from people like you. Now tell me why i went to ubuntu :roll:

then go to this thread and tell me what you think...
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