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bugz
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| EAD wrote: | | I am trying to install but can't , there seem to be a bug in the .tar.bz2 file, any one tried recently? and succsed? |
Check the md5sum, each build has it posted on the site. If it doesn't match then it got corrupted on the download, redownload it. If it does match then it isn't corrupted. Why do you think it is corrupt, how are you trying to install it?
If you're still having trouble you could try asking in the Swiftfox Forum. |
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devsk
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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I just tested the page with and without pango. I found that without pango the RAM usage is about 20% lower, CPU usage is lower by 5% and page rendering test is about 200% faster. I am left 
What is it that pango brings to the table for EN_US folks? |
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| Morpheouss wrote: | | Does someone know how to speed up so much firefox instead of installing this fork? |
You can edit the firefox ebuild to apply all those changes in swiftfox, and hope that it compiles without errors ;) |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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how about someone post an optimized ebuild for firefox then? Rip all those which is not needed and keep the essentials ones inside. 
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pussi
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adding this + the insane C(XX)FLAGS (some LDFLAGS would probably be useful too) in the ebuild should do the trick. | Code: | # swiftfox optimizations
mozconfig_annotate '' --with-pthreads
mozconfig_annotate '' --disable-shared
mozconfig_annotate '' --enable-static
mozconfig_annotate '' --disable-pango
mozconfig_annotate '' --enable-xft |
I didn't try it so use it with your own risk. |
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predatorfreak
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| Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| pussi wrote: | adding this + the insane C(XX)FLAGS (some LDFLAGS would probably be useful too) in the ebuild should do the trick. | Code: | # swiftfox optimizations
mozconfig_annotate '' --with-pthreads
mozconfig_annotate '' --disable-shared
mozconfig_annotate '' --enable-static
mozconfig_annotate '' --disable-pango
mozconfig_annotate '' --enable-xft |
I didn't try it so use it with your own risk. |
They're either building against an old GTK/Pango or did patch the tree using patches from the bugzilla, since throwing in --enable-static with any recent version of GTK/Pango will cause problems, I believe --with-pthreads is used as is and Gentoo do far more extensive mozconfiging than that.
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allex87
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Wow, this is amazing... I've been using opera (and having to cope with what I don't like about it), but now I can use Firefox and not pay a speed penalty! 
Thanks for reporting, I can really see the difference!
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EAD
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| How can I enable Java in swiftfox? It seem to work for me from the WIKI in FIREFOX but not in SwiftFox, any one? |
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bugz
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| Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| EAD wrote: | | How can I enable Java in swiftfox? It seem to work for me from the WIKI in FIREFOX but not in SwiftFox, any one? |
You need to place a symlink in either swiftfox/plugins or ~/.mozilla/plugins that points to the java plugin. |
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EAD
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| bugz wrote: | | EAD wrote: | | How can I enable Java in swiftfox? It seem to work for me from the WIKI in FIREFOX but not in SwiftFox, any one? |
You need to place a symlink in either swiftfox/plugins or ~/.mozilla/plugins that points to the java plugin. |
amm what?
I know I mean what is a links, but from where to what? can you give me some more diteals? |
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stahlsau
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hi,
since noone seems to know what pango is and for what you need it, i can only suggest everyone to enter | Code: | | export MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO=1 |
into your /etc/profile, issue a | Code: | | source /etc/profile |
restart firefox and enjoy the speedgain. Not only firefox renders the testpage about 6 seconds faster than before (after a restart, of course), it feels more responsive with all other pages too. |
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Belliash
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Maybe can someone make ebuild for firefox with those all hacks and patches?
Maybe force it to use x86 ABI on 64-bit Gentoo?
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bugz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| EAD wrote: | amm what?
I know I mean what is a links, but from where to what? can you give me some more diteals? |
You mentioned that you have java working in Firefox. Where did you put the symlink to the java plugin for Firefox? |
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EAD
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| bugz wrote: | | EAD wrote: | amm what?
I know I mean what is a links, but from where to what? can you give me some more diteals? |
You mentioned that you have java working in Firefox. Where did you put the symlink to the java plugin for Firefox? |
I did what they told in the WIKI, using "eselect". what's wrong with this? how to do the link thing? |
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bugz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| EAD wrote: | | I did what they told in the WIKI, using "eselect". what's wrong with this? how to do the link thing? |
Do you know which directory javaplugin_oji.so is located in? |
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Gergan Penkov
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| EAD wrote: | | bugz wrote: | | EAD wrote: | amm what?
I know I mean what is a links, but from where to what? can you give me some more diteals? |
You mentioned that you have java working in Firefox. Where did you put the symlink to the java plugin for Firefox? |
I did what they told in the WIKI, using "eselect". what's wrong with this? how to do the link thing? |
because gentoo includes patches to correct the brain dead mozilla default plugins-search behaviour
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dfy
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Does getswiftfox.com work for you? Does not work for me at the moment.
Another question: I read that swiftfox is compiled for AMD processors, any chance I can use it with my P4 and still get the speedup you mentioned? |
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bugz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| dfy wrote: | Does getswiftfox.com work for you? Does not work for me at the moment.
Another question: I read that swiftfox is compiled for AMD processors, any chance I can use it with my P4 and still get the speedup you mentioned? |
DreamHost's data center has lost power and their generator caught fire. This is causing an outage for getswiftfox.com currently.
http://www.dreamhoststatus.com/2006/07/28/power-outage-at-the-datacenter/
Second part of your question, there is a P4 build available.
UPDATE: data center power issue is resolved |
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dfy
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks bugz.
This is what I get when installing swiftfox (via portage):
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QA Notice: the following files contain runtime text relocations
Text relocations force the dynamic linker to perform extra
work at startup, waste system resources, and may pose a security
risk. On some architectures, the code may not even function
properly, if at all.
For more information, see http://hardened.gentoo.org/pic-fix-guide.xml
Please include this file in your report:
/var/tmp/portage/swiftfox-bin-1.8.0/temp/scanelf-textrel.log
"TEXTREL opt/swiftfox/components/libimgicon.so"
"TEXTREL opt/swiftfox/components/libmozgnome.so"
"TEXTREL opt/swiftfox/components/libschemavalidation.so"
"TEXTREL opt/swiftfox/components/libxpinstall.so"
"TEXTREL opt/swiftfox/libxpcom_core.so"
"TEXTREL opt/swiftfox/libxpcom_compat.so"
"TEXTREL opt/swiftfox/extensions/inspector@mozilla.org/components/libinspector.so"
"TEXTREL opt/swiftfox/extensions/{cf2812dc-6a7c-4402-b639-4d277dac4c36}/components/libxforms.so"
"TEXTREL opt/swiftfox/extensions/{cf2812dc-6a7c-4402-b639-4d277dac4c36}/components/libschemavalidation.so"
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Does anyone know whether this is serious or just a problem that has its source in insane linker optimizations by the swiftfox crew?
edit: Apart from this problem, swiftfox seems really nice. It's really much faster than firefox, even on my P4 2.6/1G RAM machine there's a significant difference! |
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mtascii
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| bugz wrote: | | EAD wrote: | | I did what they told in the WIKI, using "eselect". what's wrong with this? how to do the link thing? |
Do you know which directory javaplugin_oji.so is located in? |
try | Code: | | locate javaplugin_oji.so |
for me it is in
| Code: | locate javaplugin_oji.so
/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so
/opt/sun-jdk-1.5.0.07/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
/opt/sun-jdk-1.5.0.07/jre/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
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EAD
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| Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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| mtascii wrote: | | bugz wrote: | | EAD wrote: | | I did what they told in the WIKI, using "eselect". what's wrong with this? how to do the link thing? |
Do you know which directory javaplugin_oji.so is located in? |
try | Code: | | locate javaplugin_oji.so |
for me it is in
| Code: | locate javaplugin_oji.so
/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so
/opt/sun-jdk-1.5.0.07/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
/opt/sun-jdk-1.5.0.07/jre/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
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bugz
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What was the output you got? |
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predatorfreak
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| stahlsau wrote: | hi,
since noone seems to know what pango is and for what you need it, i can only suggest everyone to enter | Code: | | export MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO=1 |
into your /etc/profile, issue a | Code: | | source /etc/profile |
restart firefox and enjoy the speedgain. Not only firefox renders the testpage about 6 seconds faster than before (after a restart, of course), it feels more responsive with all other pages too. |
Pango supports full unicode text rendering, as far as I know and is in general more flexible than xft/freetype, because of that I'd have to say the gains to using pango are better internationalisation (can display odd characters more easily) and flexibility.
Edit:
If browser performance is really the only factor in picking a browser for you folks, Opera beats Firefox by a mile, doing some testing here, even with pango disabled Firefox still takes 3 seconds to render http://scragz.com/tech/mozilla/test-rendering-time, where as Opera takes 1. On top of this, Opera is just more snappy and respondsive in general.
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sirdilznik
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| predatorfreak wrote: | | If browser performance is really the only factor in picking a browser for you folks, Opera beats Firefox by a mile, doing some testing here, even with pango disabled Firefox still takes 3 seconds to render http://scragz.com/tech/mozilla/test-rendering-time, where as Opera takes 1. On top of this, Opera is just more snappy and respondsive in general. |
I have not tried disabling pango or applying any of the other changes suggested in this thread to regular firefox, but in my experiances Swiftfox is at least as fast as Opera when the applications can have access to full bandwith/cpu. However I've found that when the applications are fighting with other apps for bandwith (Ktorrent, aMule, wget, etc...) and/or are fighting with other apps for cpu (emerge, encoding, etc...) that Opera renders pages slow as s#!t. Even regular firefox seems faster and more responsive at that point and Swiftfox just blows it out of the water. |
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