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spendabuck
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Attitude
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| Is distro watch correct in saying the 1.2 will have gcc 3.1? |
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spendabuck
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2002 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm downloading the iso now. will burn and install later. gcc 3.1 maybe true |
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newfloat
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2002 8:11 pm Post subject: I think it's 1.3 |
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| From my understanding from the DistroWatch site is that 1.3a is going to be the release which will use GCC3.1. Either way, as soon as i get my new HD my gentoo will be updated and maybe i might even try Debian again, although i didn't like it too much the first time. |
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craftyc
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2002 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Attitude wrote: | | Is distro watch correct in saying the 1.2 will have gcc 3.1? |
AFAIK only the 1.3a has gcc3.1.
1.2 still uses gcc2.95.3
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mind8field
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2002 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| why isn't there anything on the website about the new release of 1.2? I would think it'd be big news. and what all is different between the two? is there a change-log? I would thing not much would change from one to the other, being that everything that is installed is the newest out there because of the way portage works. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2002 11:02 pm Post subject: Indeed ... |
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| Quote: | | why isn't there anything on the website about the new release of 1.2? |
I second that ... some questions shouldn't have to be asked. Mind you, the Gentoo team is relatively small and I imagine they're working like dogs right now  Even so, some kind of official word on the 1.2 ISO would be nice. Has anyone got it and had a look at the install document on it? |
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fghellar
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2002 2:19 am Post subject: Re: Indeed ... |
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| kerframil wrote: | | Quote: | | why isn't there anything on the website about the new release of 1.2? |
I second that ... some questions shouldn't have to be asked. Mind you, the Gentoo team is relatively small and I imagine they're working like dogs right now Even so, some kind of official word on the 1.2 ISO would be nice. Has anyone got it and had a look at the install document on it? |
Imagine that they had announced the 1.2 release but not all the mirrors had it yet. What would happen? Tons of people swearing at them. They are doing the right thing: waiting util the mirrors have it before officially announcing it.
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spendabuck
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2002 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| I'm installing 1.2 right now and it's not using the gcc 3.1. I'm using the same guide I use for 1.1a |
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mksoft
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2002 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| Attitude wrote: | | Is distro watch correct in saying the 1.2 will have gcc 3.1? |
No. There are 1.3a stage files for test which are pure gcc3.1 system.
from 1.3a desritption:
| Quote: | Gentoo Linux 1.3a is the first 100% gcc 3.1 release.
It is currently only in testing, but feel free to try it out!
I'm sure you'll love it ;o) |
1.2 is using gcc 2.95.3
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Scrapz
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| ...so what is the difference between 1.1a and 1.2? I cant find anything anywhere. Is it worth sacrificing a current 1.1a install for it? Or is it just a couple of bug fixes? |
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fghellar
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All the build-* iso's or tbz2's are, as the name says, just starting points to help you build your own "version" of Gentoo Linux. They are just like "installers". So, there's no point in reinstalling anything just because a new version of the installer was released. The concept of "version" does not apply to Gentoo in general.
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arkane
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| Not to sound ignorant here, but what is the big hubub about gcc 3.1 other than crapping out on (potentially poorly written but compilable in previous versions of gcc) some software? |
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proxy
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1) it is more standards compliant, this is important for the same reason mozilla is important, it will make people do things more correctly.
2) it produces more efficient machine code resulting in better performance.
3) it is the first steps towards a stable ABI, eventually this will eliinate issues with libraries written in C++ needing to be compiled for the different setups
4) it is aware of more modern CPUs and can optimize things using extended instructions sets for those cpus
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arkane
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| Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2002 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| proxy wrote: | 1) it is more standards compliant, this is important for the same reason mozilla is important, it will make people do things more correctly.
2) it produces more efficient machine code resulting in better performance.
3) it is the first steps towards a stable ABI, eventually this will eliinate issues with libraries written in C++ needing to be compiled for the different setups
4) it is aware of more modern CPUs and can optimize things using extended instructions sets for those cpus
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I guess the question I'm really asking even though I hate to say this is:
As an end-user, does it matter to me? Can I compile XFree, KDE, Mozilla, KMail, and does it have any issues with QT?
I'm curious about it, but I just don't have the time nor the energy to continually keep up with the discussions about it that almost always take forever to find anything out from.... |
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Scrapz
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Ive had a quick look into gcc3.1 and it does looks promising indeed. It has specialized optimizations for the P4 and AthlonXP which speeds up code significantly. While it might not make a difference to one or two programs, you can imangine what it'll be like if you compiled your whole system using these optimizations. 2% increse here, 3% increse there... it all adds up, and it will be a zippy system indeed! I for one am looking forward to it, but I dont think I'll immediatly go from 1.1a to 1.3 - I'll wait until it gone through its tests 
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mksoft
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| Scrapz wrote: | | ...so what is the difference between 1.1a and 1.2? I cant find anything anywhere. Is it worth sacrificing a current 1.1a install for it? Or is it just a couple of bug fixes? |
If you've installed from 1.1a and updated the system, there's no need to reinstall from 1.2 - you'll get the same result.
1.2 includes an updated installer, pre-built stage 2 and 3 files and an updated rsync mirror entry.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2002 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I did a compleat reinstall using 1.2 and sound now works without doing anything and programs are running much better for me. |
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