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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi.

I installed Debian GNU/Hurd some time ago on my athlon XP and found it quite lacking. Not the Hurd itself that is, because he i already knew it would be lacking but the documentation, there is almost none.

Another thing i didnt like was the debian part of it, not that i dont like debian i just dont know how to do some things in it like set the language to icelandic etc. little things like that.

Having said that i would like to help with this project. I am not a programmer but perhaps i could help with testing, Documentation or just about anything.


So what i'm asking is do you need none-programmer help with this project?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 6:06 pm    Post subject: Help on the project Reply with quote

We could always use plenty of help. I'm looking into setting up a mailing list on my server for gentoo/hurd. I'm also going to be setting up a cvs server
and rsync server to use for future testing.

If anyone is interested in helping out you can contact me via any of my im services listed below.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can test this out on alternate architectures, if there's such an opening.

(Truth be told, this is about the only thing for which I'm useful).

I have a couple SPARCStations, MIPS... *lifts up dirty clothes* ... and a Mac that I could test this on. None are doing anything mission-critical right now. The SGI's that aren't doing anything are R4400 and R10K (but that's another project) and the Mac is a PPC603e sonneted up to G3/500MHz.

Just in case you can use it.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's awfully nice, but the Hurd runs only on x86, doesn't it?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh.

I wasn't aware of that. A bit of a kick in the balls.

*nods at his NeXTStation* I thought it was fairly widely ported.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

plate wrote:
That's awfully nice, but the Hurd runs only on x86, doesn't it?


I thought the microkernel was all that really mattered. As long as mach or l4 or whatever they are using now runs on a specific architecture shouldn't the hurd run fine?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly, I've got no idea where things are at with the Hurd, but the Hurd website speaketh thusly:
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Currently, the Hurd runs on IA32 machines. The Hurd should, and probably will, be ported to other hardware architectures or other microkernels in the future.

Now, let's briefly consider that it's taken them 10 years to get this far...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hurd is portable since that was the reason to continue this project ten years ago. but it seems there aren't any ports available yet.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One more addicted Gentoo user signing up for testing of Gentoo / HURD.
Where is it possible to read about the progress on this?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Count me in.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'd be really intersted too :)
i tried the k4 hurd debian, but it's quite hard to manage !
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure, I'm definitely interested.
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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2004 9:26 pm    Post subject: Progress Page Reply with quote

The current project page for the Gentoo Hurd Project is hurd.rustedhalo.net. The exact progress on each of the packages can be found at http://hurd.rustedhalo.net/status-system.php.

We can be contacted in #gentoo-hurd on FreeNode if anyone who wants to help out in the porting effort. We're fianlly getting close to building a stage3 tarball. Currenly we're 8 packages away from a stage3 tarball.
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2004 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

has the portage on freebsd effort stalled i cant seem to find any info and emailed the dev mentioned offering my limited ability but didnt hear back

thanks for the hurd link i may giv it a bash once i get all my data backed up on dvd and repartition, any idea what the scsi suport is like
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2004 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never really liked Hurd. I'm not a microkernel man, so Linux is good to make monolithic.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've checked out the project page, and it looks like The Gentoo GNU/HURD has made some progress. It looks to me like their goal is a Gentoo installation where you can, at one point, either emerge gentoo-sources or hurd-sources, and everything else is the same.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was going to ask something like this, and in fact I searched google and found this. Is anyone here working on that? Or could I get more info on using Gentoo on the Hurd? Thanx...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From a user's point of view, I see problems with HURD in that it just doesn't have the stability / features yet of the Linux kernel; which is really disappointing, after 20 years. Yes, it doesn't have nearly as many developers, but from the user's pov, that really doesn't matter.

And I don't understand why it's so great from a dev's pov either; there are newer ideas in kernels (exokernels), and surely developing the Linux kernel is interesting too. Why not just develop the Linux kernel until the architecture problems make a true microkernel more suitable for development, and then start working on taking all of the good code in Linux and modularizing it?

It doesn't even seem obvious to me that the Linux kernel is inherently architecturally flawed. After 14 or so years, development is still going along fine. When are we going to run into these problems?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations, you might have broken the resurrect-ancient-thread record :wink:
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Genone wrote:
Congratulations, you might have broken the resurrect-ancient-thread record :wink:


hahahah, lol...I didn't realize this thread was 3 years old...talk about beating a dead horse, and then beating it some more.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll ride the zombie... Well, it's quite sad that Gentoo/GNU Hurd is dead. I liked playing with the Hurd. It's an interesting but grotesquely crippled system as of today, having a working Gentoo install of it would maybe help attract people to it and fixing it. Also, it's a nice project in itself.

Too bad I have not the skills nor the free time to resurrect such a project.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

brullonulla wrote:
I'll ride the zombie...
LMAO thanks for that, I needed a chuckle ;P
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Well, it's quite sad that Gentoo/GNU Hurd is dead. I liked playing with the Hurd. It's an interesting but grotesquely crippled system as of today, having a working Gentoo install of it would maybe help attract people to it and fixing it. Also, it's a nice project in itself.

Too bad I have not the skills nor the free time to resurrect such a project.

Yeah I liked playing with it a few years ago, but it didn't do much. It would be cool to get it running with Gentoo.. anyone else interested? I'm assuming it does ok at providing a base kernel?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The base Hurd microkernel/servers combination basically works, although hardware support is terrible (basically the same of Linux 2.0 or 2.2 at maximum, and no sound) and it is pretty unstable. You are better using it on a spare old machine or on a VM. X works, although not so much X applications are known to work (forget Gnome or KDE out of the box).

I played with Debian GNU/Hurd K14 on VMWare for a while. It was funny, setting up the system is weirdly hackhish and I chatted nicely with Hurd developers on IRC. Unluckly I hadn't more time to play with it, now I'd like to reinstall it on a VM (they should even have ready-to-go QEMU images to download somewhere).

Screenshots of those times:
http://flickr.com/photos/brullonulla/364534025/
http://flickr.com/photos/brullonulla/379120295/
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:10 am    Post subject: Hurd with Gentoo Portage Reply with quote

This would be a neat toy. Unfortunately, I've got enough unsupported hardware that emulation is the only way for me to go with it.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, emulation is pretty much the only way to go now.

By the way, this is pretty much the latest news I can find about the Gentoo GNU/Hurd project. Where is the guy who started it? Why did you stop?

I wonder if a better start is using a Debian GNU/Hurd install and "gentooize" it by installing emerge (python usually works on the Hurd), and tweaking until it all happily compiles and you can get rid of apt-get. But I am nothing near to a gentoo developer.
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