New Xorg (x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r2 [6.8.2-r1]) nvidia prob

nextekcarl · n00b Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 67

I just installed the xorg update listed above from Portage, as well as these:

[ebuild U ] sys-libs/zlib-1.2.2-r1 [1.2.2]
[ebuild U ] app-arch/rpm2targz-9.0-r3 [9.0-r2]
[ebuild NS ] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.12-r4
[ebuild U ] dev-libs/libxslt-1.1.13-r1 [1.1.12]
[ebuild U ] app-text/docbook-dsssl-stylesheets-1.79 [1.77-r2]

and when I rebooted (after compiling my kernel and the nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx modules) I found out X wouldn't work. I tried to start kdm (I still have my box start at a console prompt and manually load X) and the screen flashed blue a couple of times (which is different than usual) and then put up the nvidia splash screen, and then dumped me back to the console. I checked, and kdm was still running, so I killed it. When I typed opengl-update xorg-x11 I was able to get X to run again (and it still showed the nvidia splashscreen even though hardware acceleration was not working at this point), for a couple of reboots, and then it stopped again (no nvidia splash screen anymore, just dropped me back to console after about 0.5 seconds). So I edited xorg.conf to go back to the "nv" drivers and now X starts, but now my hardware accel is gone. Everything was working before these last updates, so I am guessing it is the xorg update. I found other people having similar problems, but they seemed to be for older versions of Xorg, so I'm not sure what is up here. I've tried a couple of version of the nvidia drivers, and a couple of different kernel versions, and they all seem to have the same problems.

nextekcarl · n00b Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 67

I was thinking, and I wonder if part of the problem was that I upgraded Xorg while I was in an Xsession?

adaptr · Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:25 pm Post subject:

No.

Did you re-use your old kernel config for the new kernel ?
If not, all sorts of things might be wrong.

Why upgrade such a minor point ? It was working, yesno ?
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nextekcarl · n00b Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 67

I kept all my old kernels, and even trying them I got the same thing. The only thing I haven't tried is reverting to the older Xorg. I upgraded as a matter of seeing the upgrades listed on an "emerge --pretend --update world" (I have cron check nightly and then append this to a text file on my desktop so I can stay current). I want to stay current as far as security and bugfixes go, and this is a testing system so I can learn more about Linux. I find I don't learn as much when things don't break, so I don't mind breaking them occassionally.

parsim · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:37 am Post subject:

tplk · n00b Joined: 09 Jul 2005 Posts: 10

I have the same problem with NVIDIA grafhic card since I upgraded to kernel 2.6.12. I tried drivers from nVidia website, the installer didn't manage to compile the module. The same with nVidia nForce drivers (at least nvnet). With kernel 2.6.11 it worked.
So I can choose:
- 2.6.11 with hanging during shutdown/reboot
- 2.6.12 without nVidia drivers

pmperry · n00b Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Posts: 13

gnac · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:47 pm Post subject:

Just wanted to add my 2cents. I was watching/involved in another similar post but it didn't ever come to a good resolution.
I have been experiencing the same exact issue as you. I upgraded to the latest xorg, kde and gentoo-sources kernel friday. Things seemed to work until I rebuilt the kernel. Of course it wasn't until then that I had to reboot.
The first error I came across was that /etc/init.d/xfs was looking for the font server in the wrong directory. I fixed that by modifying the script (should I even have had to do that?). But then I got an error on startup that the nvidia drivers didn't load. I made sure to rebuild them, and even (at the suggestion of another thread) upgraded to the masked version 1.0.7667.
That didn't seem to help at all. When I try manually installing (modprobing) the kernel I get a "FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (...): No such device.
I played around with some new options in the kernel about nvidia agp with no luck. Then I reverted to my previous kernel (2.6.11-r5-gentoo-sources) and that didn't help either.
I am in the process of rebuilding the previous version of xorg (6.8.2-r1).
Hopefully this will work. Using the lynx browser isn;t the most pleasant user experience.
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gnac · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:45 pm Post subject:

Well reverting to the old xorg didn't work, but then I found a thread that suggesting I look at the output of dmesg. When I did I got a nice friendly message telling me that my device was only supported through legacy drivers and that the 1.0.7667 driver would ignore the gpu.

Its funny because I had unmasked that version at the suggestion of yet another thread to try and solve the original problem. I am unsure which caused the error first, the kernel, xorg or the driver.

My current config is as follows:

gnac · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:51 am Post subject:

I have what I think may be a solution.

After re-upgrading to 2.6.12-gentoo-r4, I lost my X again. This time the dmesg gave me a warning regarding rivafb, which I didn't have enabled in my kernel. But I did remember several new nvidia options appearing the first time I did a make oldconfig.

tplk · n00b Joined: 09 Jul 2005 Posts: 10

nextekcarl · n00b Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 67

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nextekcarl · n00b Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 67

It was already disabled, so I guess that isn't problem after all

Thanks for the suggestions. Keep 'em coming! :lol:

gnac · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:40 pm Post subject:

I'm grasping at straws now, but what version of the nvidia kernel and glx are you using?

Make sure your nvidia modules are actually loaded. It sounds like they are since you are getting a splash screen (on some occasions anyway).

adaptr · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:18 pm Post subject:

nextekcarl · n00b Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 67

I'm running a AMD Duron processor, 32 bit, not using the Hardened USE keyword. I've tried the stable version of nvidia-kernel and GLX, and a couple of the "masked" versions, all with the same effect. When I have more time this weekend I will check out dmesg and see what's there. Thanks for all the help.

Caalvin · Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:01 am Post subject:

Hi all,

i have also the problem, that X doesn't start after upgade to 6.8.2-r2.

The logfile tells me, that the module

libbitmap.a

could not be load, because of a different definitions of one variable.
Currently i am at office (where i am used to work with M$) and i can't remember the exact name of the variable.

Also i am using nvidia-kernel

greetings.

wklam · n00b Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 42

gnac · Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 7:01 pm Post subject:

Be sure to check your nvidia kernel against your nvidia board (eg check dmesg). I found out the hard way that the newest masked versions of the kernel do no support my GeForce2 TI, even though they support older/crappier models.
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wklam · n00b Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 42

For those of us who are still having problem with nvidia driver and want to use X window. We can use the xorg nv driver temporarily.

This can be done by editing the file "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" and change:

wklam · n00b Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 42

I solved my nvidia issue with xorg-x11

It's the gcc hardened thing which makes nvidia failed on xorg-x11.

Here is my setup:

xorg-x11-6.8.2-r2
nvidia-kernel-1.0.7667
nvidia-glx-1.0.7667
gentoo-sources-2.6.12-r4
gcc-3.4.3-r1

This is what I did to get the xorg-x11 to load nvidia kernel module:

In the file "/etc/portage/package.use" put this line in it:

Caalvin · Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:01 am Post subject:

@wklam:
Thanks for your hint. That does the trick.

cheers,
caalvin

nextekcarl · n00b Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 67

I get this message when I type this: dmesg | grep nvidia

gnac · Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:14 am Post subject:

Don't worry, its not an error.

The NVIDIA kernel (from nvidia) is closed source. When your "open source" kernel loads it, your kernel is now using non-open source software so it becomes "tainted", i.e. not pure open source.

Many OS zealots (please no flames) are content to use the default nv kernel, even though ir doesn't have all (eg full 3d rendering). They would rather sacrifice some graphics capability than have a "tainted" system. It would be really nice if NVIDIA (and the many other proprietary driver writers out there) would open up their interfaces so decent os implementations could be made. I guess they are afraid they will give away some super-secret proprietary information to competitors by releasing a complete interface to the hardware, but if you ask me, its hard to tell whats inside the house by looking at the door :~)
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