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| gringo wrote: | nice one Fallow, really, im impressed ... but it completly hangs when unplugging my usb-pen, no sysrq, no ssh, nothing ... sorry for bad news.
Can anyone confirm this ?
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Might I add..... ARRGGGHHHH.. I thought that bug went away the last time for good.. but no |
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fallow
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| playfool wrote: | | gringo wrote: | nice one Fallow, really, im impressed ... but it completly hangs when unplugging my usb-pen, no sysrq, no ssh, nothing ... sorry for bad news.
Can anyone confirm this ?
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Might I add..... ARRGGGHHHH.. I thought that bug went away the last time for good.. but no |
Yeap , Im on windows now , but gringo , please try this fix : http://vivid.dat.pl/fallow/pub/love-sources/2.6.11-love2/2.6.11-love2-usb-oops-fix1.diff
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the hate lists (to kick out for next release)
- TCP* fixes from mm
- genetic anticipatory if http://vivid.dat.pl/fallow/pub/love-sources/2.6.11-love2/2.6.11-love2-usb-oops-fix1.diff , this fix will not work. *** propably a gringo usb oops reason ***
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| fallow wrote: |
the only thing I can guess is that the networking problems can be an effect ot TCP* patches.
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no, I don't think they are the cause. I only switched to cfq, turned genetic lib off and recompiled. Everything runs smoothy now - no network problems. Maybe it is something with my realtek NIC ?
but my cocnlusion - there is no need to remove anything from love-sources.
i'll wait for a next release of love-sources and try again genetic i/o. If my problems come back, i'll report it.
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Works fine over here on ~x86
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works fine here also on x86 compiled with gcc4 (after slightly modifying vesafb-thread.c from vesafb-tng).
If I could make a wish I would like to have the new vesafb-tng patch from spock in as it compiles without further modifications with gcc4. I tried it already and the patch applies as cleanly against love as did the one before thanks for your work |
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Koala Kid
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Goodbye love-sources, it was nice to use it.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Koala Kid wrote: | | Goodbye love-sources, it was nice to use it. |
It seems sorta rude to not even leave a reason, at least tell us what's wrong so that it might be improved or explained. |
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Koala Kid
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| playfool wrote: | | Koala Kid wrote: | | Goodbye love-sources, it was nice to use it. |
It seems sorta rude to not even leave a reason, at least tell us what's wrong so that it might be improved or explained. |
I'm reiser4 user 
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playfool
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Koala Kid wrote: | | playfool wrote: | | Koala Kid wrote: | | Goodbye love-sources, it was nice to use it. |
It seems sorta rude to not even leave a reason, at least tell us what's wrong so that it might be improved or explained. |
I'm reiser4 user |
Rejoice it might enter vanilla soon then you can return and file your bugs upstream. |
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Benson
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Koala Kid wrote: | | playfool wrote: | | Koala Kid wrote: | | Goodbye love-sources, it was nice to use it. |
It seems sorta rude to not even leave a reason, at least tell us what's wrong so that it might be improved or explained. |
I'm reiser4 user |
You could patch it manually??? Common, i mean love-sources are superb, aren't they?!? So only because there's no reiser4 support you leave...
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Koala Kid
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LOL... I could, yes, but I'm too lazy for that
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I wonder if I am the only one seeing sth like that - since -rc6 there are some problems in the scheduller and under heavy load, the music starts to jitter, skip, the x becomes unusable and so on, (and I have had sth very strange with Input/output error, although smartctl showed that it is sth aborted, one file could not be read, but after some pause from compiling the error was gone - this was -rc6). It seems it could be the default cfq3, but i have not investigated the source of the problems and have not tried to switch to another scheduler, because I don't have the time now to test it.
What could I say is that rc5 seems ways smoother that the next two versions.
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| Qos seems to of been broken since 2.6.12-rc2,or at least changed as my traffic shaper script no longer seems to work.There are no errors to speak of but web interactivity is now poor.Could those TCP* fixes from mm be the cause? Or are these fixes something released in the most recent mm? It has been like this with all the kernels I have tried after rc1.Anway,back to 2.6.12-rc1-love1 again for me |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Koala Kid wrote: | | playfool wrote: | | Koala Kid wrote: | | Goodbye love-sources, it was nice to use it. |
It seems sorta rude to not even leave a reason, at least tell us what's wrong so that it might be improved or explained. |
I'm reiser4 user |
so i am, but that doesn't keep me off using love too 
nice release btw!
strangely in 2.6.12-mm2 lots of patches seemed to disappear, for exp the tcp stuff, and much more
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| Quote: | | strangely in 2.6.12-mm2 lots of patches seemed to disappear, for exp the tcp stuff, and much more |
many things have been merged to mainline, take a look to the rc1 or git changelogs.
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| Hmm, in performance, how does love-sources differ from nitro? nitro and love users are probably gonna say that their favorite patchset is better than the other patchset. But seriously, how does the performance differ? And, in stability, do love-sources aim for more stability or less? Oh, and on an unrelated topic, how well does the genetic scheduler perform? I tried it on nitro and had a few problems, such as increased memory footprint and CPU usage more intense. |
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| m0p wrote: | | Hmm, in performance, how does love-sources differ from nitro? nitro and love users are probably gonna say that their favorite patchset is better than the other patchset. But seriously, how does the performance differ? And, in stability, do love-sources aim for more stability or less? Oh, and on an unrelated topic, how well does the genetic scheduler perform? I tried it on nitro and had a few problems, such as increased memory footprint and CPU usage more intense. |
From what I understand:
Nitro is based on Staircase cpu scheduler, which is good for low and medium workloads, like desktop usage.
(Right now)Love is based on IngoSched cpu scheduler, which is better for medium to higher workloads, like server or intensive usage.
They are both awesome performers.
For general desktop usage CFQ-TS is recommended.
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| vipernicus wrote: | | m0p wrote: | | Hmm, in performance, how does love-sources differ from nitro? nitro and love users are probably gonna say that their favorite patchset is better than the other patchset. But seriously, how does the performance differ? And, in stability, do love-sources aim for more stability or less? Oh, and on an unrelated topic, how well does the genetic scheduler perform? I tried it on nitro and had a few problems, such as increased memory footprint and CPU usage more intense. |
From what I understand:
Nitro is based on Staircase cpu scheduler, which is good for low and medium workloads, like desktop usage.
(Right now)Love is based on IngoSched cpu scheduler, which is better for medium to higher workloads, like server or intensive usage.
They are both awesome performers.
For general desktop usage CFQ-TS is recommended. |
Staircase actually scales BETTER then ingosched (aka mainline O(1)), it also performs better in both desktop or server workload, in fact, staircase is all around an improvement over ingosched in nearly everyway.
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| m0p wrote: | | Hmm, in performance, how does love-sources differ from nitro? |
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Staircase actually scales BETTER then ingosched (aka mainline O(1)), it also performs better in both desktop or server workload, in fact, staircase is all around an improvement over ingosched in nearly everyway. |
if staircase is better in everything than ingosched , why ingosched is in vanilla/mainline and not staircase ?
this is your personal opinion. many users who have not a rocket like You (~3GHz) but a CPU like me (~1GHz) choosing Ingosched , for example a lot of love users in the past used nicksched wchich is also 2 priority table based the same as ingosched (staircase is single priority table based) .
2 other conceptions , 2 other behaviors . every each have positives and negatives . Im using both , love (ingosched) and vivid ( mm + ck , so staircase ) .
PPL UDERSTAND FINALLY , THERE IS NO BEST SOLUTION FOR ANYTHING.
THIS IS JUST LINUX . THERE IS A CHOICE , BUT EVERY CHOICE HAS POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES.
NO GOLD GREAT BEST SOLUTION FOR EVERYTHING.
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| Quote: | PPL UDERSTAND FINALLY , THERE IS NO BEST SOLUTION FOR ANYTHING.
THIS IS JUST LINUX . THERE IS A CHOICE , BUT EVERY CHOICE HAS POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES.
NO GOLD GREAT BEST SOLUTION FOR EVERYTHING. |
Agreed.
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Predatorfreak:
Staircase? bah.
Ingosched is mainstream in 2.6 and I know it works out nicely.
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Works fine here on my athlon-xp box. Even my net on f****n' Thomson Speedtouch 330 USB modem  (fu***n' Neostrada)
Thanx for as + gentetics from J. Moilanen!
As to nitro and love sources... It's just the matter of what you need. Sometimes I use nitro and sometimes love.
In some cases nitro is faster but in other love works better.
So PPL make kernels not (flame)war
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So PPL make kernels not (flame)war
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| m0p wrote: | | Hmm, in performance, how does love-sources differ from nitro? nitro and love users are probably gonna say that their favorite patchset is better than the other patchset. But seriously, how does the performance differ? And, in stability, do love-sources aim for more stability or less? Oh, and on an unrelated topic, how well does the genetic scheduler perform? I tried it on nitro and had a few problems, such as increased memory footprint and CPU usage more intense. |
I find that today, there is really not reason to use anything expect vanilla.. I use love-sources because it's fun not because of some performance incentive
Predatorfreak:
You ignore aspects like scaling on NUMA and Large SMP setups |
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