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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 2:32 am    Post subject: Google Web Accelerator - death to the dynamic web site Reply with quote

As some of you may know, Google has started to use its vast power on searching and as a portal to cache web sites to speed up access for surfers. But what some people have pointed out is that this new form of caching will reduce some dynamic sites which have click-based adds revenues to almost zip if it isn't blocked. Also, other people have pointed out that it is a security breach, caching private forum and internal web sites along side the public ones.

O'Reilly Radar on Google Web Accelerator issues

What is your view on Google's latest action and should they be stopped?

They're proxying people's sites without permission. Do you support this?

Thoughts?

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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serves people right for not following the HTTP spec and using GET for unsafe actions.
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 4:56 am    Post subject: Re: Google Web Accelerator - death to the dynamic web site Reply with quote

Albert_Alligator wrote:
As some of you may know, Google has started to use its vast power on searching and as a portal to cache web sites to speed up access for surfers. But what some people have pointed out is that this new form of caching will reduce some dynamic sites which have click-based adds revenues to almost zip if it isn't blocked. Also, other people have pointed out that it is a security breach, caching private forum and internal web sites along side the public ones.

O'Reilly Radar on Google Web Accelerator issues

What is your view on Google's latest action and should they be stopped?

They're proxying people's sites without permission. Do you support this?

Thoughts?

Al


I think one time I opened a cached link on google and found myself logged in as someone else on a forum, but when I tried to hit reply to a message, it said my session had timed out and I needed to log back in... Doh!
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 6:39 am    Post subject: Re: Google Web Accelerator - death to the dynamic web site Reply with quote

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They're proxying people's sites without permission. Do you support this?
Its publicly available information... why shouldn't they be able to?

As for privacy, hmm... maybe not using it would help.
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a good entry about it:
http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/archive/2005/May-08.html

(second point, of course)
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

surely it won't affect their adesnse based text ads. Else they shooting me (and thounds of others) and themselfs in the foot
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Google Web Accelerator - death to the dynamic web site Reply with quote

Albert_Alligator wrote:
As some of you may know, Google has started to use its vast power on searching and as a portal to cache web sites to speed up access for surfers. But what some people have pointed out is that this new form of caching will reduce some dynamic sites which have click-based adds revenues to almost zip if it isn't blocked. Also, other people have pointed out that it is a security breach, caching private forum and internal web sites along side the public ones.

O'Reilly Radar on Google Web Accelerator issues

What is your view on Google's latest action and should they be stopped?

They're proxying people's sites without permission. Do you support this?

Thoughts?

Al


think about the good side... say i have a cheap site with only say 100meg bandwitdth per month... i say something brilliant, and my site starts getting hits like crazy... this way the site could still be accessed after i hit my limit (and therefore the main site dies)... its like free mirroring for web sites.

and if its truly private you would need to log in to access it. and i am pretty sure googles bots cant do that. especially hack your password and log in as you.

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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 8:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Google Web Accelerator - death to the dynamic web site Reply with quote

killfire wrote:
Albert_Alligator wrote:
As some of you may know, Google has started to use its vast power on searching and as a portal to cache web sites to speed up access for surfers. But what some people have pointed out is that this new form of caching will reduce some dynamic sites which have click-based adds revenues to almost zip if it isn't blocked. Also, other people have pointed out that it is a security breach, caching private forum and internal web sites along side the public ones.

O'Reilly Radar on Google Web Accelerator issues

What is your view on Google's latest action and should they be stopped?

They're proxying people's sites without permission. Do you support this?

Thoughts?

Al


think about the good side... say i have a cheap site with only say 100meg bandwitdth per month... i say something brilliant, and my site starts getting hits like crazy... this way the site could still be accessed after i hit my limit (and therefore the main site dies)... its like free mirroring for web sites.

and if its truly private you would need to log in to access it. and i am pretty sure googles bots cant do that. especially hack your password and log in as you.

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It caches entries in Admin/Moderator forums.
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 8:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Google Web Accelerator - death to the dynamic web site Reply with quote

edudlive wrote:
It caches entries in Admin/Moderator forums.

Oooh, I hope none of the mods here use it then. There's some really funny dirt in the sekrit mods forum. Not as funny as some of the things in the sekrit devs forum though... :twisted:
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm using google's accelerator service and it works flawlessly. There'll always be people badmouthing new technology.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally quite dislike google. Its the microsoft of the internet.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Omega21 wrote:
I personally quite dislike google. Its the microsoft of the internet.


Which is why you use MSN Search! :D
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Omega21 wrote:
I personally quite dislike google. Its the microsoft of the internet.


the main difference I find between microsoft and google is that google makes a product that I like and use, and it works for me. the times I have used windows it has done neither.... but monopoly wise, they have the largest grasp I think that is possible with something as open as the internet..

if they wanted to sart censoring stuff, nothing could really be done about it; almost everyone uses google when they want some information. if they wanted to (im going to use abortion as an example, not because of my beleifs for or against it, just as an example) make all websites that turned up from a search of abortion to be anti-abortion sites, they could do that. think 1984; now that they are caching things they could alter what was in the cache... and of course censor anything that they dont approve of...

of course, I definately dont think its going to happen, but it could.

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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 6:58 am    Post subject: http://webaccelerator.google.com/ Reply with quote

Dunno if Firefox on Linux could have this thingy or not.

http://webaccelerator.google.com/

and it says only availble on Windows, I am afraid.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 7:06 am    Post subject: Re: http://webaccelerator.google.com/ Reply with quote

skyfolly wrote:
Dunno if Firefox on Linux could have this thingy or not.

http://webaccelerator.google.com/

and it says only availble on Windows, I am afraid.


i can't use it from aisa

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Browser: IE 5.5+ or Firefox 1.0+
Availability: For users in North America and Europe (during beta testing phase)
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 7:07 am    Post subject: Re: http://webaccelerator.google.com/ Reply with quote

panlm wrote:
skyfolly wrote:
Dunno if Firefox on Linux could have this thingy or not.

http://webaccelerator.google.com/

and it says only availble on Windows, I am afraid.


i can't use it from aisa

System Requirements
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Browser: IE 5.5+ or Firefox 1.0+
Availability: For users in North America and Europe (during beta testing phase)


Eh, one of my netfriends from China is using it, weird.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 7:33 am    Post subject: Re: http://webaccelerator.google.com/ Reply with quote

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panlm wrote:
skyfolly wrote:
Dunno if Firefox on Linux could have this thingy or not.

http://webaccelerator.google.com/

and it says only availble on Windows, I am afraid.


i can't use it from aisa

System Requirements
Operating System: Win XP or Win 2000 SP3+
Browser: IE 5.5+ or Firefox 1.0+
Availability: For users in North America and Europe (during beta testing phase)


Eh, one of my netfriends from China is using it, weird.


???
how to?
i am in beijing
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 7:34 am    Post subject: Re: http://webaccelerator.google.com/ Reply with quote

panlm wrote:
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gotta ask him.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 7:37 am    Post subject: Re: http://webaccelerator.google.com/ Reply with quote

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panlm wrote:
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gotta ask him.


i am waiting... :)
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also note that during the first part of our beta testing period, users outside of North America and Europe may not see much improvement in their web page loading speed.


So I guess you can use but don't see much improvement.
Is google trying to cache all that happens while surfing? Searches, visited web sites, emails, files on your pc. I'm not saying that this is a violation of privacy because is something you decide to install but well maybe this is what they need for more revenues from advertisements:wink:
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sent him a message already, I guess he's using a proxy from either north America or europe with this google access thing.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

meh, he said he just installed the programme, that's it. no further configuration.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

THis is old news... read the provacy statement people. It is another insecure product by Google. They are basically caching anything not on https and sending it to other people.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Merged from https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2401750.html#2401750
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