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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:02 pm    Post subject: Nitro or Love? Reply with quote

I've only used nitro-sources, but I have no doubt love-sources are about as great :) So I was wondering, which one do you guys prefer over the other? How many people are using either? Are there significant differences? Let's get the statistics snd opinions rolling...

I'm definitely not trying to start a flame war; I believe that the efforts of both teams are commendable and if I had the sufficient knowledge, I would probably be doing something like this myself :) Thanks, guys! Keep up the great work!

Hey, I wish I could start a poll....
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There aren't really any benchmarks that show the differences because they mostly have to do with IO scheduling and interactivity. My suggestion would be to try it out and see for yourself what works best on your hardware.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why use any of them if you don't need the patches (or don't know what's inside)?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm using 2.6.11-r3-nitro0 at the moment, and it's fine :)
have never really looked at love sources (sorry the name drove me off), so my opinion is totally boring one-sided.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gotta be the "love" src.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recommend love-sources because of the total lack of testing and/or quality control in Nitro.
No offence to the Nitro people, it's a great kernel, but it breaks in fun new ways every release. For example, they used CFLAGS that weren't supported in GCC 3.3!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use both. On my system, they run at about the same speed. You should try them both and decide for yourself
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

uman wrote:
For example, they used CFLAGS that weren't supported in GCC 3.3!

[imho] Nitro is used by absolutely insane people who prefer nonstable bleeding-edge software. I bet they use gcc 3.4 from the first hour it was released :) [/imho]
And yep, Godji, you better really try them both.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't use either.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you people that use those kernels really notice any difference with a vanilla kernel or gentoo kernel ?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titeuf wrote:
Do you people that use those kernels really notice any difference with a vanilla kernel or gentoo kernel ?

Ooooh yeah. They notice a whole load of instability, crashes, lockups and weird bugs. But they get a 0.05% speed increase, which is clearly a benefit despite them having to reboot every fifteen minutes.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ciaranm wrote:
Titeuf wrote:
Do you people that use those kernels really notice any difference with a vanilla kernel or gentoo kernel ?

Ooooh yeah. They notice a whole load of instability, crashes, lockups and weird bugs. But they get a 0.05% speed increase, which is clearly a benefit despite them having to reboot every fifteen minutes.

Now that is just so wrong and it is obvious that you haven't tryed none of 'em.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ciaranm wrote:
Titeuf wrote:
Do you people that use those kernels really notice any difference with a vanilla kernel or gentoo kernel ?

Ooooh yeah. They notice a whole load of instability, crashes, lockups and weird bugs. But they get a 0.05% speed increase, which is clearly a benefit despite them having to reboot every fifteen minutes.

Which means it's subjective 50% faster :lol: Especially the real time patches - a thing that sounds so cooool ist a must have :roll:
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ciaranm wrote:
Ooooh yeah. They notice a whole load of instability, crashes, lockups and weird bugs. But they get a 0.05% speed increase, which is clearly a benefit despite them having to reboot every fifteen minutes.

F*ck no! My uptime is usually about 8 days (might be much more, but I need to change hardware sometimes, upgrade kernel and do other stuff that requires reboot).
About speed: try to play FarCry using vanila/nitro and compare the results - there's a f*cking huge difference, believe me... It's quite noticeable when playing_video_in_wine_lag disappears.
And yeah... Real h4x0rs don't play games... ok, you won then.

PS: sorry for bad English guys.
PPS: calm down hermes, calm down.. he's just kidding :)
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are you upgrading the kernel every 8 days...
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

uman wrote:
Why are you upgrading the kernel every 8 days...

I said "change hardware* sometimes, upgrade kernel and do other stuff that requires reboot"
* plug friend's hdd for example, it happens often
And NO, I upgrade kernel not because of it causes troubles (I bet you asked in hope I'll say it), but mostly because of desire to test new patchset release, or because of simple idling :).
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the advantages and disadvantages of each? How do they compare to the gentoo kernel?

Gentoo is all i've ever tried so i'm intrieuged.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have both nitro and love, and for the most part I use nitro. My uptime is limited only by how long I can go without having to boot into windows. No stability issues that I've seen, but on the other hand the speed increase is very slim between gentoo-dev-sources. I can't comment on vanilla, as I haven't tried it
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've tried many of them, I used Love Sources for a long time. Now I just use gentoo-dev-sources.

Works good enough for me, and so far has been totally stable and supported everything I require.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, nitro-2.6.10-r4 has been great.. much faster than gentoo-dev (I can feel it with desktop usage, and when I try cedega, it's like Windows vs unoptimized Widnows)... And I've never ever had a stability issue, despite having the latest nitro, GCC 3.4, and a globally enabled ~x86. Bleeding edge hehehe :D. The only small problem I had today was when trying to migrate to 2.6.11-r0, but I'll look into it when I have the time - and here comes the main reason I dare do all this: TO LEARN. If it never breaks, I'll never learn how to fix it. It's always the breakages and problems that I sometimes (by now very rarely) come across in Gentoo that enable me to understand Linux so much better; when I was using bloated SuSE / Mandrake some years ago, everything worked, and I couldn't tell the difference between X and KDE :). So the next thing I'll do is migrate to 2.6.11, reiser4, and Gentoo 2005.0 ALL AT ONCE, and fix whatever might break :))

You know what the problem with Windows is? You can't compile it from source, and that makes it sooo boooring...

EDIT: I forgot to thank the Gentoo community - the best one any Linux distribution has. Without you guys I'd still be struggling to install my bootloader or something :P


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uhhh Godji yes you can, you can quite easily get a free compiler and compile all the open-source apps you want. It's just not the default, but that's like saying you can't compile from source on Suse.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

go for the love!



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been using nitro sources from 2.6.10 to 2.6.11-rc5 (2.6.11 broke ATI compatibility). Don't tell the nitro developers, but I just emerged the 2.6.11 love sources and I'm giving them a try. I'm not sure yet which I like better.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ciaranm wrote:
Titeuf wrote:
Do you people that use those kernels really notice any difference with a vanilla kernel or gentoo kernel ?

Ooooh yeah. They notice a whole load of instability, crashes, lockups and weird bugs. But they get a 0.05% speed increase, which is clearly a benefit despite them having to reboot every fifteen minutes.


The nitro developers lately have been pursuing ways to violate the GPL left and right. If everyone were smart they would abandon nitro in a hurry. If you ever look in the damn nitro threads it takes people several tries to even successfully compile a kernel...that doesn't mean that the kernel will even work. If you enjoy instabliity within your system go with nitro. I should know I used to use it but lately they have gone off the deep end by not giving credit to other people and also violating the GPL. That kind of made me think I will stick with a Gentoo kernel with developers who actually know how to make a stable kernel.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said and very true gentoo_Ian.
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