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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:14 am    Post subject: 2.6.11-rc5-nitro0: Fear And Loathing In intermodule.c Reply with quote

DISCLAIMER:
This patchset is not an official linux-kernel-branch. Anyone using it does so at their own risk. Neither the patchset-maintainers (ie anyone from the NITRO-DEV team which is currently comprised of Darckness, Tiger683, and seppe) nor any of the authors of the patches included herein can be held responsible for any sort of damage caused by this software.


EDIT: Whoops...we screwed up. Ignore all references to npl. Next time I'll consult my attorney before attempting any sort of legal related document. Sticking to kernel-patching from now on...

REISER4 PEOPLE: USE 8K STACKS!

Changes:
Code:
2.6.11-rc5 #newest kernel version
reiser4 #newest patches ANYWHERE from namesys and namesys mailing lists
vesafb-tng+fbsplash #still works thanks to spock
chmp #usb mouse polling patch from http://omfg.linux.dk/pub/chmp/
inotify #newer version from rml
config-nr-tty-devices
cflags-selection-for-nitro #change cflags for kernel, thanks to OneOfOne
menuconfig.patch #thanks DaMouse
ck1 #latest ck patch
alsa 1.0.8
linux-2.6.10-cpad.diff
swsusp2+win4lin #see note; new version
varstacks #thanks Tiger683
lufs
tux #straight from ingo
kexec
it8212 #from mm
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+lkml patches


lkml patches

New:
The experimental version has landed. The broken-out isn't up yet because I don't have all the patches yet, but give it some time and I'll have a link up. Changelog for this version, hereafter known as the rt (realtime) version, can be found here. Just set USE="want-realtime" to enable it. It has all the stuff you would expect in a nitro, but it's even FASTER!
The only issue I've run into so far is that the framebuffer seems to be b0rked somehow. Tiger683 assures me that his works, so maybe it's just a hardware-related problem. Either way, it hardlocks for me on boot when I have the framebuffer enabled. If the same happens to you, disable it. The main differences between the rt version and the "stable" version is that rt contains TONS of experimental patches. Things that people request to be put into nitro will most likely go into the rt branch first for testing, and then get moved down to stable as they are marked safe (probably take a version or two). The focus of the rt branch is basically to replace the old experimental branch which just added the mm tree into nitro. This adds patches from nearly everywhere, but best of all it includes the realtime cpu scheduling patches which are designed to make your system even more responsive.

kexec howto

Nvidia drivers DO work with this kernel. I'm using the nvidia agpgart right now and it seems to work alright, so use whatever you feel like using in that department.

Software suspend with this version is 50/50. It will either work because of some last-minute hackery that I attempted, or it won't. The devs on this project decided that they were too good to follow the standard rules for functions, and I had to clean up a bit. Hopefully it worked.

Reiser4 people: The slowdown/bugs from previous versions should be fixed.

Insane stack users: Here is basically how it works (unless I'm completely mistaken). The smaller the stack size, the less memory stuff will use. The larger the stack size, the more memory it will use AND the faster stuff will work (to an extent I suppose). I'm not sure how noticible it would be and I'm sticking to 4k stacks myself. No guarantees that everything will work with stack sizes other than 4k and 8k!

SEMI-NEW:
This kernel bears the "Darckness Gaming Seal Of Approval". This means that it's a kernel that I can play World of Warcraft and other intense games without issues on. Of course I test it for other stuff as well, but I remember always being frustrated when I couldn't find a good fps-guaranteed kernel. From now on, I will put the seal of approval on any nitros that I deem worthy of my use in various gaming worlds. For those of you wondering why I think I'm qualified to have my own Seal Of Approval, check out my awesome World Of Warcraft Howto.

Teamspeak DOES work.

Old:
I think that about covers everything regarding this release...

For a cool automotive background picture made by M@rijn, go here.

For a Gentoo-related background by pifactorial, go here (1920x1200) or here (non-seppe size)

For an awesome "chipset-based" background by hermes_jr that I'm currently using, check here (1280x1024)
small (1024x768)
seppe sized

Anyone else wanna make some nitro-related backgrounds?

Ebuild
Patch
Realtime Patch
busted-up

Install directions for nitro-sources courtesy of BlinkEye:
Quote:

1. download the ebuild
2. mkdir -p /usr/local/portage/sys-kernel/nitro-sources
3. mv the ebuild to /usr/local/portage/sys-kernel/nitro-sources (or wherever your PORTDIR_OVERLAY points to)
4. open /etc/portage/package.keywords (if it doesn't exist create it)
5. add "sys-kernel/nitro-sources ~x86" without the quotes and with the appropriate architecture (for me its ~x86")
6. ebuild nitro-sources-2.6.10-r4.ebuild digest
7. emerge nitro-sources
8. cd /usr/src/ and behold your nitro-sources
9. remerge any modules (nvidia, ati...)

Thanks BlinkEye!

More cool documentation/howto stuff appreciated!

Also be sure to check out my ideas on genkernel. Anyone who can contribute to realizing some of the ideas in that thread would be most appreciated.

Extra:
As for the NDF (nitro-dev files), I'll be updating them pretty much the instant that 2.6.11 comes out. Then you'll see why development has been a tad slow lately, and why I couldn't update them sooner.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'll slap this on my box when u get the experimental ready. :D keep up the good work Darckness



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But 2.6.11-rc4 works so nicely with EVERYTHING! Must resist..... Losing.... willpower.... Must... upgrade.... kernel......
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

5 minutes of speed and stability... and counting... :)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone can confirm stability of reiser4?

Its important to know for further work ;)

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been using Reiser4 since like the day after Xmas. Not a single problem here. Although reports by other users have pointed to information showing that you should NOT use Reiser4 with the Staircase Scheduler because it decreases the filesystem's performance.

I'm currently experimenting and testing that information out by using Love sources with Nicksched / Genetic Anticipatory. So far it actually DOES seem faster in hard drive access situations.





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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was not my point.
I have mailed with nick and he will send me new nicksched asap,

my question was about _this_ release, because we used a very recent r4 version (not the mm one..its old)

PS: the most experimental version with REALTIME-PREEMPT will be out sometime today,
i allready managed to workout the build issues with reiser4 and most probably itll also have nvidia and ati driver issues fixed.

cheers,

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

must test it :) gotta love if this work for my reiserfs 4
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

where did this "new" reiser4 code come from, and does it contain any new features, I WANT THE REPACKER WORKING so bad!!! lol
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the sekrit super-cool insane nitro patch will be in the experimental version? I've nearly lost my mind waiting for IT :twisted: . You nitro devs are so mean to us. :cry:

All will be forgiven soon...


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rmh3093: It's the newest reiser4 from namesys and a bunch of extra stuff from their mailing lists.

pifactorial: IT (as we affectionately refer to it) will be in 2.6.11 when we make a release for that. If IT works. As of now we're still working on IT.

Realtime is go.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

resierfs4 works good for me in this one but still i have to patch to get my networkcard to work the sk98lin in the kernel dosent work for me.. will try it for awhile... thanx what is that TUX that are in network section??
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[off-topic]

I'm pretty sure you're violating the GPL by having that advertisement addition. The GPL distinctly disallows any restrictions other than those explicitly given within the terms and conditions that the GPL specifies.
The GPL wrote:
6. Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the Program), the recipient automatically receives a license from the original licensor to copy, distribute or modify the Program subject to these terms and conditions. You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein. You are not responsible for enforcing compliance by third parties to this License.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

codergeek42 wrote:
[off-topic]

I'm pretty sure you're violating the GPL by having that advertisement addition. The GPL distinctly disallows any restrictions other than those explicitly given within the terms and conditions that the GPL specifies.
The GPL wrote:
6. Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the Program), the recipient automatically receives a license from the original licensor to copy, distribute or modify the Program subject to these terms and conditions. You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein. You are not responsible for enforcing compliance by third parties to this License.


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codergeek42 - you are 100% right!! every user that is using nitro-sources released on this licence is using ILLEGAL SOFTWARE.

Nitro-devs: I'll put some nitro patches into vivid - to show you how deeply I have this bullshit. If you don't know anything about GPL / GPLv2 - you shouldn't say anything idiotic like this....

NPL = ROTFL! :)

PS. Yes - I'm shoked, I'm pissed and so on.... if Nitro-devs would developed EVERY PATCH THEY USE, than maybe I would say - 'they want to be known, etc., they're right'. But they're using patches of another people!! And they want to keep it as they SOFTWARE?? ROTFL! This is nothing more, than just a 'saying hi' to flames on forum. Nitro-devs will be looking into another patchsets for a line of code that they have changed... :D

PPS. NPL... heheheheheheheheheheh

Sorry for my english... ;-)

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ugh... i just saw that NPL....


sorry to say but I cannot run your patchset anymore.

If a product for the community that is supposed to be GPL'd that isnt even your own original work gets put under a bogus license like that then I want nothing to do with it.

Come on guys... all you had to do was say "if you use Nitro patches and use them elsewhere please let them know where you found them -- from Nitro Sources" -- but even that is trivial considering the fact that you could always claim you got the patches from the original author / some mailing list just like you guys probably did.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NOTE: The npl has been discontinued due to the fact that I didn't read through it carefully enough. The general idea was that I find it irritating when other patchsets BLATANTLY rip off the work that nitro does without giving any credit whatsoever. I suppose from now on I'll just go point it out to them instead of trying to limit it.

SUMMARY: Move along people, there's nothing to see here.

codergeek42: Thanks for not being overly offensive about it. I appreciate your wisdom as always.

_troll_: You are aptly named. Congratulations, for I am almost inspired enough by your insanity to respond to your trolling. Luckily I am not that stupid.

feld: It IS our original work. I have yet to see another patchset that incorporates nearly as much time and energy into creating new material for the community. Sure, maybe we don't write all the patches ourselves, but the amount of time that Tiger683 spent on the realtime version is proof that quite a bit of work goes into this. I would estimate that he spent approximately one entire week (168 hours) working on it. Is it so wrong to want to be given credit for that kind of effort?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why can we all just get along
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NOT all, but alright, lets say 90% of the stuff isn't our programming work...

Now, the idea is avoid some misunderstandings when people see their patches, with modifications and fixes they
did, or even, like some upcoming nitro ones, where much of our custm work was put into, just getting used by any other guys without mentioning shit about it...

now, ok, npl will the be just a disclaimer soon,

but please,

don take it personally like that.

We want EVERYONE get credit where its due, not just us.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hah, thank god I left nitro right before all the NPL non-sense :)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For archival purposes, I have salvaged a copy from an open tab I accidently laying around (lucky).

Quote:
NPL V0.6.1:
The NPL is based on the GPL v2 and later, ie the complete GPL is being accepted by accepting the NPL. The addition to this is, that anyone using parts of this patchset (including, but not limited to, documentation and patches) in their work must include a note about where they come from in a place visible for ALL users of such software before they use it. The compliance of nitro-sources and all branches of nitro-sources with this licence is implied by the NPL itself. The downloading of any materials related to nitro-sources a direct acceptance of the license.


BTW, for anyone who misses the irony, this is exactly the problem with the original BSD license. Also, they really have no right to do any of this, because any patch to the kernel is obviously a deriative work, and as such is subject to the GPL, since as codergeek kindly pointed out, you can't put any more rules over the GPL.

Also, taking code from one patchset and including it in another is perfectly fine and actually a good idea, since if it was a good idea for your patchset it probably is a good idea for another, where the whole community benefit from it as well. Where did all this competition between kernel patches come from!?
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Hello, I am maintainer and co-founder of no-sources. Before this I was one of the contributers to love-sources. I'd like to bring up a few points darckness, other nitro-devs, and users of nitro sources.

Some of you may know that a few releases ago I decided not to include nicksched in my broken-out because people were taking patches that we specifically worked on and took many hours to hack. I got alot of feedback from this choice of mine, saying that this was against open-source ideals, and yeah, I understood. Next release I included it, and made a few notes as to how much time we put into each patch. I have always tried to include the person's name who wrote each patch.

Now, what you nitro devs are doing is PURELY wrong. First of all, to impose a restriction on the GPL is illegal, and i'll elaborate more on this later on in my post. Secondly, there have been patches you have taken directly out of love-sources, and other patchsets, and you have given NO credit. (I can think of your CFLAGS hack you used to include which came straight outta love and was written by OneOfOne, i can think of the make-menuconfig-name patch that you took most likely from love, written by DaMouse, and gave no credit to.) Oh yeah, can't forget to mention fbsplash and vesa-tng which are created by spock, yet i see no credit given there.

Nah, you guys are just attention whores. You want your names on everything. Well guess what, you don't do that by stomping out the names of the real contributors to this patchset, taking their work, then DEMANDING your name be upon it.

Now, I would have given you credit long ago, but if i ever need to pry a patch outta your broken-out directories, I will. And better yet, I'll do it without your credit, because you don't deserve it.

And to close off, I'd just like to mention, your "NPL" is completley invalid. And here is why, section 6 of the GPL:

6. Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the Program), the recipient automatically receives a license from the original licensor to copy, distribute or modify the Program subject to these terms and conditions. You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein. You are not responsible for enforcing compliance by third parties to this License.

Darckness, this is not the concept of open-source. That is all, read this and understand. Nitro users, think twice about what the maintainers of your patchset are doing.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, you cannot legally remove any credits information from the sources. For example, it would heva been quite simple for you to add your own name as a copyright holder of the modifications you made to the patches to make them work. If you did this and put your name as that copyright holder (in the sources themselves or in a CREDITS file or something similar), then it is explictly _against_ the GPL (under which Linux is released) to remove that copyright information.

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NOTE: The npl has been discontinued due to the fact that I didn't read through it carefully enough. The general idea was that I find it irritating when other patchsets BLATANTLY rip off the work that nitro does without giving any credit whatsoever. I suppose from now on I'll just go point it out to them instead of trying to limit it.
CAN'T THE REST OF YOU JUST STFU? It's not even an issue anymore.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joecool: Perhaps if you had read BOTH the npl AND the gpl, you wouldn't be acting so retardedly. The first item in the T&C for copying, distribution, and modification in the gpl states:
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Sound familiar? It says that you must provide reference to the original creator. That's all the npl said. So really, the npl was just reiterating the gpl.

As for us not giving credit, I honestly had no idea who wrote the menuconfig/cflags patches. Now that I know, I can cite them appropriately.

And next time your sources rip off our documentation, I will be certain to post directly into your threads informing you so as opposed to letting it slide and attempting to settle it without directly calling attention to your project.
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To bad it seems this kernel hardlocks et and i cant kill it and it takes 100% cpu have tried evryhting but cant kill the damm thing will try to remeerge it to see if it sorts the problem out.... :(
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