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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:27 am    Post subject: New forum for ebuilds that break systems!? Reply with quote

Can the moderators create a forum for announcements of packages that break existing installations. For example, the current uw-imap package breaks existing installations using clear passwords due to a new use flag that's off by default. Obviously, when updating lots of servers this update suddenly breaks service for a lot of people...

I assume this is the right place to suggest this as the forum's description contains "Problems with emerge or ebuilds?"

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moved from Portage and Programming.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This might make for a good sub-forum when the next major release of phpbb comes out.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not entirely sure such a forum is necessary or perhaps even feasible. The mods and admins don't actually have any advanced notice of what packages will break what other packages or what USE flags will change what functionalities. Thus, such warnings would only come after someone else already fell into the pit, which is essentially what happens now.

I think the main problem that we would have is that this type of forum would require an enormous amount of effort to maintain. It wouldn't be a support forum, so we would have to move all support threads out of it. It would potentially contain a lot of 'false positives' due to the fact that those in charge of maintaining it have no secret information and usually no time or resources to verify this kind of post. It would potentially miss a lot of real issues that would have benefitted other users from this announcement for the same reasons. Having said all that, we are most certainly interested in improving the forums and our ability to help Gentoo Linux users. How would you see such a forum working? Do you have any thoughts on how to address the issues I've mentioned?

Currently, if you feel you have found an issue that is a bugged ebuild, possibly affecting a large amount of users, you should immediately (read: after searching) file a bug report and make a post describing the issue and asking for help resolving it. (Portage and Programming would be the appropriate place for such a thread. Your thread was moved from there since it was a question about the forums and not about the ebuild issue.) Generally, this is one of the fastest ways to get the word out. You can also go on IRC.

If you are looking for ways to avoid being hit with this type of issue, there are several things you can do as preventative measures. I almost always make sure to browse Portage and Programming before performing a large update. This is where you can usually see a lot of ebuild/portage issues like new USE flags breaking things. You can also use the -v (--verbose) flag in your emerges to see what USE flags are affecting your packages and how. If something seems out of place with the way you want it configured then you may be able to avoid introducing an issue into your system this way.
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