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Moloch
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 Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:37 pm Post subject: People take a step back for a moment |
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Let's remember. OTW is just a sub category of forums for a slightly popular distro of a hardly known operating system. Does it really matter all that much what happens here?
I'm tired of people getting all bent out of shape about what the moderators are doing. Don't you see it doesn't matter what you think as long as they don't care. If they wanted to they could make redseal a moderator. What can you do? Nothing. Do your opinions matter? No. It's not your website and it's hardly a big deal. You don't have free speach here. No one was ever meant to. If this bothers you then leave. The real OTW is an alternative where the only rule is no spam. Please stop the topics about how evil pjp, ian or whoever is. Wheather they impose their political views on what gets locked or not. It's not a big deal.
Keep in mind I was just banned for something stupid. Again the mods can do what they want to my account. It's not my website.
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Das Damen
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: People take a step back for a moment |
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| Moloch wrote: | Let's remember. OTW is just a sub category of forums for a slightly popular distro of a hardly known operating system. Does it really matter all that much what happens here?
I'm tired of people getting all bent out of shape about what the moderators are doing. Don't you see it doesn't matter what you think as long as they don't care. If they wanted to they could make redseal a moderator. What can you do? Nothing. Do your opinions matter? No. It's not your website and it's hardly a big deal. You don't have free speach here. No one was ever meant to. If this bothers you then leave. The real OTW is an alternative where the only rule is no spam. Please stop the topics about how evil pjp, ian or whoever is. Wheather they impose their political views on what gets locked or not. It's not a big deal. |
However, people complaining are just making posts. Do you not see the irony in you posting this? "Does it really matter all that much what happens here?" |
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Ari Rahikkala
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You suck.
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Moloch
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: People take a step back for a moment |
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| Das Damen wrote: | | However, people complaining are just making posts. Do you not see the irony in you posting this? "Does it really matter all that much what happens here?" |
It doesn't stop me from using and enjoying the service they offer. I never complain and don't plan to. I will continue to use OTW for what it's designed for. If I get fed up with how things are run. I leave, simple. Does my post matter? Of course not. You don't have to read this.
| Ari Rahikkala wrote: | | You suck. |
Very true, whenever I nice female titty is in front of me.
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papal_authority
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What the heck? I'm glad you're back and all but that's ridiculous. The rules are clearly posted as to what is and isn't allowed on OTW. Mods of late have been disregarding these rules and banning based on personal whims. People are calling them on it. This is a great community and I'd like to keep it that way. As long as I'm civil to others I shouldn't have to worry about a mod locking my thread because it's left wing, criticizes American foreign policy or mentions Slackware. As a thick skin is a prerequisite for hanging out here, a mod should only step in when absolutely necessary.
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pjp
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Ari Rahikkala wrote: | | You suck. |
And since you aren't new, and have been around long enough to see the forum Guidelines, OTW Guidelines, you are aware of not making personal attacks. I'm assuming you wanted to be banned.
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pjp
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: People take a step back for a moment |
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| Moloch wrote: | | Wheather they impose their political views on what gets locked or not. |
And just for the record, I'm not aware of any instance where a moderator or admin has locked anything based on their political views. If I were to do that, most political threads would be locked.
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Das Damen
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: People take a step back for a moment |
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| Moloch wrote: | I leave, simple. Does my post matter? Of course not. You don't have to read this.
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Moloch
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| papal_authority wrote: | | What the heck? I'm glad you're back and all but that's ridiculous. The rules are clearly posted as to what is and isn't allowed on OTW. Mods of late have been disregarding these rules and banning based on personal whims. People are calling them on it. This is a great community and I'd like to keep it that way. As long as I'm civil to others I shouldn't have to worry about a mod locking my thread because it's left wing, criticizes American foreign policy or mentions Slackware. As a thick skin is a prerequisite for hanging out here, a mod should only step in when absolutely necessary. |
Well sure I would like a lot of things out of this forum as well. It's not my call... Even if they misuse their power. Honestly though, if I felt that pjp did something unreasonable especially towards me. I would send him a personal pm. Explain the situation. I bet you things would be cleared up. Otherwise there is nothing you can do and it really isn't that big of a deal.
Now, if I donated money to Gentoo I would feel that I have the right to complain.
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I have to say that seeing as we are all different people with different views there is always going to be some person/people dissatisfied on how the forums are regulated.
Basically the answer was simple, say what you want but no personal attacks. I learnt my lesson, i suppose some people need to learn theirs.
Sure I have come out with an anti-social comment in my time but so have other people (see Stormy Eyes, SolomonHK and a23d56/redseal) and even moderators have been know to speak their mind no matter how perverse the view may seem to some. That is the price of free speech.
They do a hard job, they get flak from it an they do it for free. Give them a break
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: People take a step back for a moment |
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| pjp wrote: | | If I were to do that, most political threads would be locked. |
Now, I'm usually not the praising type, but you have (despite your political stance) been pretty 'fair and balanced' - heh - in moderating the OTW and for that you shall have thanks.
Keep up the good work.
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Anior
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I agree, they are doing a great job.
When I think that a moderation where wrong I assume that the mod had a bad day and I try to make him/her/whatever reconsider.
This isn't about whining, I just means that I actually care about this place and strive to have it as good as it can be.
Their word is final, but sometimes it is possible to pursuade them to have something changed when enough people disagree. |
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pjp
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: People take a step back for a moment |
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| Leafo wrote: | | pjp wrote: | | If I were to do that, most political threads would be locked. |
Now, I'm usually not the praising type, but you have (despite your political stance) been pretty 'fair and balanced' - heh - in moderating the OTW and for that you shall have thanks.
Keep up the good work. |
Thanks. More than anything else, it is what I try to accomplish in moderating.
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curtis119
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloch wrote: |
Well sure I would like a lot of things out of this forum as well. It's not my call... Even if they misuse their power. Honestly though, if I felt that pjp did something unreasonable especially towards me. I would send him a personal pm. Explain the situation. I bet you things would be cleared up. Otherwise there is nothing you can do and it really isn't that big of a deal.
Now, if I donated money to Gentoo I would feel that I have the right to complain. |
I have donated money to gentoo but that doesn't give me any special priviledges. If pjp based his mod decisions concerning my posts on the fact I've donated money I would consider that to be wrong on his part. I still have to follow the rules just like everybody else.
ps. someone above said thanks to pjp. I would like to second that. pjp, you do a reasonably good job considering all the bullshit we put you through.
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Moloch
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| curtis119 wrote: | I have donated money to gentoo but that doesn't give me any special priviledges. If pjp based his mod decisions concerning my posts on the fact I've donated money I would consider that to be wrong on his part. I still have to follow the rules just like everybody else.
ps. someone above said thanks to pjp. I would like to second that. pjp, you do a reasonably good job considering all the bullshit we put you through. |
I didn't meant that you could do what you want. By donating you have more of a right to complain. If you cleary break the rules tough. For the rest of us Gentoo and it's forums are a privelege that we should be thankful that it even exists.
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ciaranm
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloch wrote: | | I didn't meant that you could do what you want. By donating you have more of a right to complain. If you cleary break the rules tough. For the rest of us Gentoo and it's forums are a privelege that we should be thankful that it even exists. |
What does giving money to drobbins have to do with using the forums? |
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Moloch
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| ciaranm wrote: | | What does giving money to drobbins have to do with using the forums? |
 Well I was sort of under the assumption that some money trickled its way over to the forums...
Guess not though.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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What does giving money to drobbins have to do with using the forums? |
My point exactly. Thanks for stating it so succinctly.
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Moloch
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So does the money for these forums grow off trees or something? Who foots the bill?
EDIT: Eh forget it. That wasn't even my point. Damn it curtis got me going off topic.
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curtis119
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| Moloch wrote: | So does the money for these forums grow off trees or something? Who foots the bill?
EDIT: Eh forget it. That wasn't even my point. Damn it curtis got me going off topic. |
That's what I'm here for. To ensure all threads go off topic. Somebody has to do it. 
By the way. The admins of the forums are all volunteers. The physical computers are donated by various individuals/companies and the bandwith and hosting is donated by Oregon State University. I know I'm leaving out a ton of hardworking people but ian! and rac are names I see over and over on the mailing lists and other public information channels. They seem to be the driving force behind gentoo infrastructure in general.
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Moloch
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| curtis119 wrote: | | By the way. The admins of the forums are all volunteers. The physical computers are donated by various individuals/companies and the bandwith and hosting is donated by Oregon State University. I know I'm leaving out a ton of hardworking people but ian! and rac are names I see over and over on the mailing lists and other public information channels. They seem to be the driving force behind gentoo infrastructure in general. |
Well good to know. It's still not in my control what is apart of the gentoo forums. If it's donated then whoopdi fucking do. My bad.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| papal_authority wrote: | | What the heck? I'm glad you're back and all but that's ridiculous. The rules are clearly posted as to what is and isn't allowed on OTW. Mods of late have been disregarding these rules and banning based on personal whims. People are calling them on it. This is a great community and I'd like to keep it that way. As long as I'm civil to others I shouldn't have to worry about a mod locking my thread because it's left wing, criticizes American foreign policy or mentions Slackware. As a thick skin is a prerequisite for hanging out here, a mod should only step in when absolutely necessary. |
Huh? Show me the thread where the mods have acted inappropriately. In all instances of banning that I have seen, there was a clear break of the rules. At some point people need to take responsibility for their actions.
I think the mods do a great job - especially considering the all the bullshit on these forums and the lack of credit they receive. |
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Bob P
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i have to support what the mods have been doing. it escapes me that people will come to the Gentoo Forums as guests, behave inappropriately, and yet fail to understand why they are being shown the door.
in an opinion based forum like OTW, everyone should expect that somebody is bound to say something that they don't agree with, and they should be prepared to cope with it. its not as if a difference of opinion on something so trivial one's preferences in music contsitutes an insult so egregious that retorts like, "asshole", "asshat", "fucking asshole" or "fucktard" are either warranted or acceptable.
if guests here can't display a reasonable sense of civility toward the other guests, what does the forum lose by banning them? by failing to ban them, the mods would only be asking for these types of shennanigans to escalate, making their jobs that much more difficult in the future. |
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papal_authority
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| Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| littlebuddy wrote: | | Huh? Show me the thread where the mods have acted inappropriately. |
Sure. Here's the locked thread that sparked the controversy. It was locked for no valid reason and the hypocritical mod refuses to acknowledge this. That's why I'm annoyed, just own up that you made a mistake. Generally though, I agree with you that the modding is excellent here, this particular case was not.
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