captive @ amd64?

zinion · Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:00 pm Post subject: captive @ amd64?

Simple question:

Is it possible to get NTFS-captive running at 64bit-gentoo?
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zinion · Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:37 am Post subject:

*bump*

Nothing? Not even "forget it, it doesn't work"?
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Pajarico · Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:04 pm Post subject:

I( think it much depends on captive nature. If it is a user-space application, maybe you will be able to run it as 32 bits, but if it is a kernel module i think you won't be able to since you can't have a 64 bit environment using 32 bit modules.

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zinion · Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 9:50 am Post subject:

Hmkay...anybody here can tell something more about this?
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racoontje · Veteran Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 1290

You can use userspace 32-bit programs (ie not compiled with AMD64 gcc flags) in your fully 64-bit environment because of certain libraries. Kernel-level modules need to be built for your local arch, this is also true for ppc, mips, alpha... and also for x86-64.

Perhaps this will help you understand:

The tg3 module is open source, so a ppc (Mac) with this ethernet card can use the kernel module just as well as an x86 box could.

The ATi fglrx driver kernel module isn't, so we can't use it in 64 bit environments. Someone with ppc is slightly more screwed than we are, because there's a minor chance ATi might bother to recompile for AMD64.

zinion · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 10:02 am Post subject:

Yeah I know all this....but what about captive? IS it a userspace application or a kernel module?
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Pajarico · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 3:19 pm Post subject:

zinion · Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 4:39 pm Post subject:

Hmkay...Windows should finish Windows XP 64bit so we can use their drivers

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ninelives · n00b Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 1

Well, Windows PX 64 has been out for a while now. Has anyone been working on this? I'd love to help but don't program much more than php.

crazycat · Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:41 am Post subject:

As far as I know noone develops cative now. I think it is possible to make it work (Anyway all dependecies do work) but I think I'm not qualified enough to do so. I'll look into it if I have some time.

linj · n00b Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 37

Doesn't work for me (emerging it, even)... comes out with a whole list of errors. Tell me if you can get it to work..

crazycat · Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:06 pm Post subject:

Nope , i fear it's beyond my abilties

I checked the source and I think it's really sophisticated piece of software.

Gentree · Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:58 pm Post subject:

You may find some more help at SuSE.

They have an rpm for arch64 and I dont think they would have it on thier ftp servers if it did not work.

I'm looking into this and I may try SuSE first since setting anything up on Gentoo takes an order of magnitude longer.

Look at the last post on this page for some info
http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/lofiversion/index.php/t15389.html

BTW. It LUFS that is no longer developed not captive.
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Master_Of_Disaster · Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject:

@Gentree:

Cedrm · n00b Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 1

Hey guys,
I was building a full blown live cd (32 bit), with captive. I decided to add a 64 bit kernel to that cd for full compatibility purposes with my system. The entire root is compiled as a generic pentium and up. Without doing anything special to the cd except adding a 64 bit compiled kernel to it, I booted up the kernel (which includes fuse), captive worked like a charm (slow but as slow as usual).
So yes, i guess that captive can work using a 64 bit kernel on a 32 bit system. But using a 64 bit system, it will not work.

When I get time to look at it a bit deeper, I will try to find what causes the problems on a fully 64 bit system.

If you have any suggestions, please let me know!

thedopefishlives · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 23 Nov 2005 Posts: 84

Would it be possible to run captive in a 32-bit chroot on a 64-bit kernel? I've only recently discovered this project, and I'd really like to try it out, as it would greatly simplify all my OS juggling that I have to do from time to time.

H3g3m0n · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 14 Dec 2002 Posts: 97

I recall reading a post a while back syaing captive ntfs worked in a 32bit chroot but not on a native 64bit system. It was awhile back so i might be getting confuzzled with somthing else.

Gentree · Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:01 pm Post subject:

http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive

new version now in portage , no mention of 64bit but there are fundemental changes to the kernel interface.

now uses fuse directly rather than LUFS . This means the kernel can umount it on shutdown like other native fs and this should give more hope for 64.

cant test I'm on athxp.

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Bl4h · n00b Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 3 Location: Lithuania

So did it work ?

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Maximus2000 · Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:03 pm Post subject:

I have installed captive using captive-static-1.1.7.tar.gz from http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/. I then did the captive-acquire-install after that I was able to read and write from my ntfs drive after mounting with captive-ntfs.
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bobobo · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 122

I just tried (on x86_64), i have no idea why but it does work perfectly

thedopefishlives · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 23 Nov 2005 Posts: 84

Works perfectly. Can we get some ebuild magician to write us an ebuild for this, perhaps? captive-bin, we could call it. *crosses fingers*

EDIT: I did it myself... I don't know how to submit to Portage, though. :oops:

Captive ebuild for Portage overlay
EDIT again: It was easier to call it "captive-static", by the way. My bad.
One last edit: I submitted my ebuild to bugzilla. I dunna know if the developers will accept it, though.

Bl4h · n00b Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 3 Location: Lithuania

Congratulations, now you are ebuild magician

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