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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:45 pm    Post subject: Why don't gentoo livecds include vi? or do they? Reply with quote

Hi. Just a quick question... after reinstalling Gentoo for the second time and having to reedit make.conf and other stuff...

Why don't the gentoo livecds include vi? So far I can find ed (which I've never properly learned to use... maybe now's the time!) and nano (which resembles pico, which I can't stand). The installation guide says to "fire up your favorite editor" when editing make.conf during the installation, but so far that only seems possible if your favorite editor is one of the above.

I can understand why you might not want to include emacs or vim on the livecd, but vi? Any particular reason not to have it? or am I just missing it?

And, second question, is there any way to get it quickly at the very beginning of the installation process? is it possible to do 'emerge vi' at that point? (I haven't tried... if I have to do another reinstall I'll give it a shot!)

thanks!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Umm.. because everyone loves nano.. don't they?

Actually, I have to say that nano is friendly for beginners... which is most likely chosen as the editor of choice...

Hmm.. I would think you would need to get to at least the stage 2 level before being able to emerge vi.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mstyer,

Why not use Knoppix as your liveCD?
You only need get the tarball of your choice.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't the liveCDs come with vim?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I guess I could use Knoppix. I was just surprised to find that Gentoo doesn't include anything but nano and ed on its install cd.

Personally, my reflex when I think "I want to edit file foo.conf" is to type "vi foo.conf" -- it happens before I even think it. I know it so well I can't really stand to use anything else, especially for sysadmin tasks like editing make.conf. (no, everyone doesn't love nano... :( )

But it's a minor issue -- was just wondering whether there was a particular reason (or, hope against hope, whether vi was hidden on there somewhere and I just hadn't found it).

thanks anyway!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't the liveCDs come with vim?


If they do I couldn't find it... maybe I'm just being really dense, though... that is definitely a possibility...
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mstyer wrote:
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Don't the liveCDs come with vim?


If they do I couldn't find it... maybe I'm just being really dense, though... that is definitely a possibility...


Now that you mention it.. I wonder if the live CDs have a locate db? If so, since you are root, you could try 'locate vi'.. or even try 'updatedb', then locate... assuming the LiveCDs have locate.. Ive never tried...
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are 5 pages worth of discussion about vim on the livecds right here:
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=170585&highlight=vim+nano

Enjoy yourself :)
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks! :oops:
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They can't use vi because it's already been patented by SCO.

The next LiveCD will include a simpler, newbie-friendly version of the linux kernel known as "DrDOS" to avoid this issue.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

justanothergentoofanatic wrote:
They can't use vi because it's already been patented by SCO.

The next LiveCD will include a simpler, newbie-friendly version of the linux kernel known as "DrDOS" to avoid this issue.

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