webapp-config: aye or nay?

tecknojunky · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:07 am Post subject: webapp-config: aye or nay?

Hinted by this thread, I wondered how the Gentoo community, as a whole, felt about the fact that people emerging web base applications have no choice but to deal with webapp-config.

I personaly hate it, and the fact that it is imposed upon the user is, in my view, a freedom taken away from me (kind of like Billy's kool-aid... my way or the highway).

I have decided a while back that anything related to web base applications are now manage by my own brain and not by Portage.
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hds · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:40 am Post subject: Re: webapp-config: aye or nay?

Sven Vermeulen · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:06 pm Post subject:

webapp-config makes it a lot easier to deploy websites and web services. Imho of course. I'd hate it when various applications don't follow a general guideline.

westi · n00b Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 5 Location: UK

I agree with Sven - webapp-config is a good thing.

Once we have the fabled vhost-config as well then we will be in the position that gentoo is a rock solid platform for running multiple vhosts with a large number of webapplications installed.

webapp-config provides portage style support for config files and a whole lot more together with the easy ability to install the same webapp in multiple locations under the same or different websites.

frilled · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:45 pm Post subject:

Well, as I stated somewhere else this is the first and (up to now) single entity about gentoo (which is the best thing that ever happened to Linux in my opinion, btw) I could spend a lifetime hating with full force.

I thought is was nice to be able to emerge things like phpmyadmin, and it was. Until suddenly something happened which made me remember the chains of Micro$oft again - webapp-config. It messed with me, I messed with it, and now we go seperate ways. Like tecknojunky, I'm heading for the manual way now.

Ah, there was another thing about gentoo that I hated a lot: genkernel ;-)

But it was very easy and painless to dump for which I was very grateful then ;-)

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castorilo · Apprentice Joined: 25 Dec 2002 Posts: 157

I love it.

webapp-config, genkernel, and they are working on a graphical installer too. Gentoo is getting sweeter and sweeter every day.

Imho, the only thing that would make it better is an optional GUI for webapp-config.

As long as all these are optional, keep them comming. There are people who do appreciate them.

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Crimson Rider · Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:31 pm Post subject:

I emerged phpBB because up until now it has been my standard practice to use portage as much as possible.

Now that this thing has been introduced, I will, indeed do the manual thing.
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hds · Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: webapp-config rocks

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I never use it because I have no need for it.

cyberpatrol · Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:42 pm Post subject:

I haven't looked at webapp-config really well yet but I guess it's pretty useless.

After a new Gentoo install I've installed apache, php, mysql and of course phpmyadmin, htdig and phpsysinfo.

When installing htdig and phpsysinfo I wondered about emerge's printout about something about a webapp-config. Well, if emerge needs or wants something called webapp-config - whatever this should be - then it shall use it. But after installing phpmyadmin I had to restore my phpmyadmin config. That was the point where I had to realise that these three packages were installed twice.

So why do I need to have such software installed twice on my harddisk? I only need it once.

In which of these installation directories do I have to configure these packages? E.g. where do I have to put phpmyadmin's config.inc.php?

Why do I have to install 10 or more versions (slots) after updating one of these three packages? I only need one - the latest - version?

Hopefully last question? How do I disable or configure webapp-config so that it only installs one of these packages and does exactly what I want (installing these packages only once in /var/www/localhost/htdoc like before).

I only need and want to have a directory /var/www/localhost/htdoc with a subdirectory for every web based app.

And I don't need and don't want to have an additional directory /usr/share/webabb/ and many subdirectories whose sense I don't know like conf, hook etc., which are empty btw.

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Chewi · Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:00 pm Post subject:

I like it in principal but it doesn't seem to change the ownership of the folders. I'm doing this right, right? All folderrs end up being root:root. Not a huge problem since the permissions are set to 755 but still.

Wilhelm · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 27 May 2003 Posts: 149

I love it ... The idea is good and it works once you figure out /etc/vhosts/webapp-config configuration file and how to add/remove/update packages on multiple domains.

Still trying to figure out the small things though but imo all it needs is a good tutorial for it to succeed ;-)

. Even for single domain servers it's easy to do.

I'm giving it a big thumbs up.

tecknojunky · Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 11:27 pm Post subject:

Today, I,ve found a, quite obvious (now that I thought of it), but convenient trick to make webapp-config the least combersome as possible... I point the vhosts <directory> directive directly into /usr/share/webapps/program/version/htdocs.

So, to the author of webapps-config, go ahead, develop and impose as you wish, I'll never use it.

Seriously, I'm thinkering with the idea of making a stub to webapp-config. All I need to figure out is what will Portage complain about if you do a 100% stubbed virtual/webapp-config?
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Wilhelm · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 27 May 2003 Posts: 149

tecknojunky what is wrong with webapp-config?

First i must say that your (cumbersome) method is not a good idea since your pointing into your clean template of which sites are generated when installing them.

Here is what you should do:

Make webapp-config point to your /var/www directory or vhost directory. (/etc/vhosts/webapp-config)

Here's my updates