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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:45 pm    Post subject: vi on installation CD Reply with quote

Hey,

I installed Gentoo a few months ago. What with the substantial amount of configuration file editing and general command line usage, I was *very* *surprised* not to find vi on the installation CD. It's such a small binary -- and a very standard UNIX tool. What's the reasoning for not including it? I guess nano is OK. Why not include both?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Code:
$ ls -sh /usr/bin/vi /usr/bin/vim /bin/nano
 88K /bin/nano  136K /usr/bin/vi  1.7M /usr/bin/vim


I think it speeks for itself... Sure, vi isn't _big_, but it still is rather difficult for a novice to handle. nano is pretty easy to learn, and since all you do is edit config files.

You could also use catalyst to add vi or vim to your own LiveCD ;)
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take me, for example. I grew up using emacs/XEmacs on FC1 and have grown very accustomed to using it. Now if they included vi[m] on the LiveCD, then they would also have to include emacs so that they don't exclude the half of the community that uses vi instead of emacs or vice-versa. I think taking a neutral stance on it and being consisent with using nano helps the coummunity as a whole, and those newcomers to console/ncurses-based text editors, as nano is quite simple and easy to learn to use, whereas vim/emacs are almost certainly more powerful, but harder to learn, and the extra functionality achieved would probably not be needed, anyway.


(Disclaimer: all that is imho)
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's not go there again...

https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=170585
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would swear that Vi is on all the livecd's I've used since maybe 1.2 or the early 1.4 releases... But it is only there for installation purposes and is not *installed* by default for the new system to use.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

codergeek42 wrote:
Now if they included vi[m] on the LiveCD, then they would also have to include emacs so that they don't exclude the half of the community that uses vi instead of emacs or vice-versa.


... but emacs isn't part of a standard UNIX system. Neither is nano. Vi is like grep, ls, chmod, chown, cat, or any other standard UNIX tool.

This would seem the least likely of places to have to advocate the importance of following accepted industry standards.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rafje wrote:
Let's not go there again...

https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=170585


Ahh, never mind. I thought it unlikely I was the first to bring this up. As long as someone's brought up the issue, I'm happy. ^^

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