Prude alert: Sexually explicit wm themes in emerge

[Stormy Eyes]

[scalded]

Why not start a separate project for Gentoo users that want porn ebuilds, maybe Prontoo Linux? For people that need to have their "Open Source" genitalia on the screen quickly with the least amount of effort.

[Roguelazer]

Like Lesbian GNU/Linux? (based off of Debian, and an actual distro)
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[A.Sleep]

This was my ebuild. The most 'adult' oriented themes are mine.

When I made the first version of the build I grabbed a subset of themes w/o checking them. Since then I've thought that I should make windowmaker-themes and windowmaker-themes-adult ebuilds.

On the lighter side, nobody is making you use the more mature-subject themes at work
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[sapphirecat]

[supreme_geek_overlord]

Okay, I realize this post has been pretty much played out, but I'm definitely +1 for marking explicit material as explicit material. Not that it is something that can be implemented overnight, but it is something to think about...for next time perhaps.

I don't really see what the argument is about. I mean, some of us have morals; and for those who don't, well that just makes it easier to find, now doesn't it?
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[Stormy Eyes]

[supreme_geek_overlord]

[wpr]

This thread clearly demonstrates one of the tensions that exists in the Linux world - that of Commerce vs. Hobby. This entire issue would be a NO-BRAINER in any commercial software development environment – the discussion wouldn’t even be being HAD in the commercial world. It is somewhat telling that we are already on the sixth page of this discussion. There should be NO debate -- anything that's offensive or illegal to ANY significant recognized global community should NEVER be included in a default build of the Gentoo distro (probably it should not even be available in any standard distro – if someone wants it, they can hunt it down). Attitudes to the contrary only serve to interfere with the long-term success of Linux.

In the commercial world, what one "thinks" should be true is completely irrelevant -- business (i.e., financial) interests are the primary (or only) motivation. Indeed, in the United States, any executive who chose to expose their corporation to liability by promoting personal beliefs over corporate financial interests has likely breached their fiduciary duty to their shareholders. (Perhaps an argument can be made that the corporation would reap “goodwill” benefits by standing up for the “right” of an employee to display something potentially offensive on their screen saver even though their co-workers were filing harassment suits – but I’m having a hard time imagining this is the case in most businesses).

Although I suspect the higher-level decision makers in the Linux community DO understand this, I fear the distributed nature of development means that some packages get included in various distros without being vetted by those with these professional attitudes.

I personally have no moral or ethical problem with (almost) anything between consenting adults. I don't place a value judgment on someone whose HOME screen saver has something that a right wing religious zealot in the United States would find offensive. However, as a manager, I have had little choice but to require that individuals delete potentially offensive screensavers (which includes religious messages and pictures of scantily clad individuals -- even if they are related to the worker).

The Linux community needs to concentrate on changing the landscape of SOFTWARE, not international social mores. Remember that Linux probably runs on the gamut of servers - including those serving up:

Hard-core porn,
Messages of the religious right zealots in the United States,
Gleeful depictions of a South Korean being brutally beheaded

As a point of reference, recall the problems that Microsoft has had when inadvertently including particular symbols in fonts! For example, Germany has strict rules about Nazi images (and some other communities find them offensive). Microsoft inadvertently released a font that contained a swastika. In spite of the fact this symbol has numerous uses independent of its offensive Nazi association, Microsoft responded quickly with a tool to remove it and fix the problem. I doubt that they argued about “if it was offensive” – they run a business and reacted appropriately.

Do note that in the United States, a picture on your desk of your spouse in a swimsuit on a family vacation is potentially considered offensive and your manager may require that it be removed. Yep, it’s ridiculous – but Linux has enough challenges ahead of it without fighting that unrelated battle. The social discussions belong on alt.<something>, not in Gentoo forums if Linux is to prevail.

[dalek]

Ok I need someone to elaborate a bit. I use the offensive flag if I am over 18 and want porn. Right?

<opinion>

I think google/image is the best place to get pics. Click 'advanced search' and search for large images , keyword porn will get you to a start. Certain parts of the anatomy will get results too.

Me, I'm open minded. KDE slideshow for my desktop and a few thousand images to keep it from getting boreing.

I think women are beautiful myself but there is also a time and place for everything.

</opinion>

First part of post is what I am really wanting to know. 37 by the way.

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[daddio]

For the record, I am glad there seems to be some consensus that emerging nudity without asking is bad.

For those idiots who said kids don't use gentoo:

I have four children. The oldest two, aged six and eight, both boys, are old enough to use gentoo (mostly for games, GIMP, etc)and I am beginning to teach them the basics of *nix commands.

offensive must be OFF BY DEFAULT so no one is surprised. I believe that this world would be better off without the easily accessible pr0n of the internet. It is a tremendous waste of public bandwidth.

[supreme_geek_overlord]

Okay, I said I wouldn't get to involved in this topic, but w/e: I'm a kid and I use Gentoo, too...
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[nitroburn]

This is straight from the social contract of gentoo:

Every user has work they need to do. The goal of Gentoo is to design tools and systems that allow a user to do their work pleasantly and efficiently as possible, as they see fit. Our tools should be a joy to use, and should help the user to appreciate the richness of the Linux and free software community, and the flexibility of free software. This is only possible when the tool is designed to reflect and transmit the will of the user, and leave the possibilities open as to the final form of the raw materials (the source code.) If the tool forces the user to do things a particular way, then the tool is working against, rather than for, the user.

There can be many ways that this can be infered, but here is what I think should happen.

All packages should conform to use the offensive use flag. You either want to see the suggestive stuff or you don't, that simple. I think that with the offensive off by default(as in not auto bad stuff), and say on your home computer, if you really want the stuff, just add offensive to you make.conf and you are set, gentoo does not force you to not easily get it, and people who do not want to look at it are not subjected to it in anyway.

This will most reflect the will of the user.

Jim

[Stormy Eyes]

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I say that we make the male, female, and offensive flags start working. Either that, or we get some people that know how to use the rm command or a graphical filer.

[dalek]

[pindar]

First, I really think that an "offensive" or whatever flag would be useful. I looked at the pics, and I can easily see why people might not want them installed on their computer without being aware of it. But I also think that some of the arguments proffered here are a bit simple-minded. Take wpr, for example:

[sapphirecat]

[Syntaxis]

[Roguelazer]

This topic is, um, sad.
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[flickerfly]

[binary_runner]

Hey, there is a lot of "christian" , "morale" etc. groups telling people how to live their short and miserable lives to get into heaven. Why no tell them to fund some reasonble rating system ?

I don't like idea to invest (work or money, doesn't matter) to keep on rules somebody else things are good. If they want it, ok, but then they should give money for it too. And developers can give either more money or more time for Real Problems (R).

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[OdinsDream]