GNUstep on Gentoo: how many of us are there?

fafhrd · Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 9:38 pm Post subject:

no, not sure ... that last error message about gcc seems ominous ...

I'd emerge gcc again, try windowmaker again, and if it fails, I'd file a bug report bugs.gentoo.org

windowmaker "stable" is pretty old, but yeah, i've never seen that error message before...
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0n0w1c · Apprentice Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 273

I changed some CFLAGS, I bet that was it... I am rebuilding glibc now.

Update: Well, that did not do it... but it does appear to be a change that I made to my CFLAGS. It seems to spit-up on "-mtune=athlon-mp", it must not be valid, it may only be valid for >=gcc-3.4.

fafhrd · Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:04 pm Post subject:

well, i wrote up a gworkspace ebuild ... find it here: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55368 or wait until I post the tarball of up to date stuff in a short while, tonight

I suggest that if you are attempting to run a "as much as I can" GNUstep like DE, then install WindowMaker, and if you use GWorkspace, run only the GWorspace.app, and the Recycler.app if you wish, and use the WIndowMaker dock, for now. Dock.app is alright, but the icons do not update (yet).
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fafhrd · Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 12:04 am Post subject:

I just added PrefsModule framework and Preferences application to bugs.gentoo.org. Find them here: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55372 and here: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55374 respectively.

Preferences.app allows you to edit the GNUstep environment settings, so I'll be able to remove those helpful, but now useless config shell scripts. I probably should tell people what setting they _have_ to set, and what some defaults are. This also lets one setting the color of GNUstep apps, which is nice for at least color themes.

You can start Preferences at X startup, and it's Icon displays a clock and calendar. So, if the app is hidden, you only see the clock. Kind of handy.

PrefsModue is simple the framework that Preferences' (and others could) module's use.

Tarball soon to come, I swear.
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fafhrd · Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 12:17 am Post subject:

this will overwrite any old files from last tar, and add new ones.

okay, get new tar with:

pjp · Administrator Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067

To help out with fafhrd's bandwidth, I've set up this page. The "HTML" setup guide is very minimal at this point, but I'll try to spruce it up soon.
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fafhrd · Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:02 am Post subject:

awesome, thanks for centralizing/hosting the file and those docs

as an addenum to the basic HOWTO, users should be reminded to add:

pjp · Administrator Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067

Excellent work on the previous errors. The base emerges went fine. A couple of things I'd like to verify:

Step 2.2: This needs to be done as the user running GNUstep apps, correct? I did, and here was the output. I wasn't sure if "nil" was normal in the last line:

Code:

# 2004-06-27 18:16:07.422 make_services[26280] Defaults home '/home/pete/GNUstep' did not exist - created it
2004-06-27 18:16:07.427 make_services[26280] Defaults path '/home/pete/GNUstep/Defaults' did not exist - created it
2004-06-27 18:16:07.471 make_services[26280] Creating defaults database file /home/pete/GNUstep/Defaults/.GNUstepDefaults
2004-06-27 18:16:07.483 make_services[26280] couldn't create (nil)

When running /usr/GNUstep/System/Tools/Gentoo/config-gnustep-base.sh (as the user running GNUstep...), is the timezone supposed to match the "real" timezone (I'm in Mountain)?
Code:

defaults write NSGlobalDomain "Local Time Zone" America/New_York
"Defaulting to America/New York"?

And.... another addwrite error I think. This time during "emerge -v app-gnustep/preferences":

Klementas · n00b Joined: 16 Apr 2003 Posts: 47 Location: Missouri

Sorry it took me so long to post.......I'm the guy who wrote the note in bugzilla supporting Gnustep in Gentoo. Great job on all these ebuilds! I was going to wait until it was put into portage, but I decided to go ahead and get your tarball. Everything has gone just fine except for Preferences; I got an error saying that the dir couldn't be created. Strange, since I emerge as root. I just did a mkdir and it installed just fine.

The only complaint I have has nothing to do with all the great work you're doing with the ebuilds. It's just that most of these apps are very buggy. I just tried to run GWorkspace, and it segfaults. GNUMail can't do IMAP without a ton of errors, plus is puts tons of lines in /var/log/messages. I wish it would stop doing that. I also get an error, something about cstring, on every single app. I just hit ignore button and it continues on, except for GWorkspace. Also, ProjectCenter doesn't work with Gorm. Oh well, maybe these bugs will get worked out some day and Gnustep will be the way to go!

Thanks again for all your hard work, I certainly hope that it gets put into portage.

fafhrd · Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:50 pm Post subject:

Granted this likely won't matter if/when this stuff gets into portage, but here's some info...

Concerning having to edit /etc/make.profile/virtuals and add the virtual/gnutsep-back line every time after you rsync, 0n0w1c figured out that one can create a /etc/portage/profile/virtuals file that overlays like all the other files in /etc/portage. Just a note that it looks like this behavior is added to >=portage-2.0.51_pre*, or whatever you unstable ~x86 cats are running. :-)

This is good to note in case you are running this series version of portage, as it makes this one step easier. If you're still running the latest stable, at the moment in time, like me, you'll have to keep editting that file. But that's only once a day ... it is only once a day, right?! ;-)

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pjp · Administrator Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067

This works in portage 2.0.50-r7 as well (unmasked).
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fafhrd · Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:26 pm Post subject:

hrm ...

I have sys-apps/portage-2.0.50-r8 , and when I tried to do "emerge -uDpv world", I got the DEPEND/*DEPEND problem because of lack of a virtual.

Could you remove it from /etc/make.profile/virtuals, and only add it to /etc/portage/profile/virtuals, and let me know if it work for you still?

I love it when computers seem like their performing wild magic. :-)

Haven't had this much fun since I used to stay in at indoor recess and output different shaped parabolas on the Apple //e our classroom had. Fun. Oh yeah.
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fafhrd · Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:42 pm Post subject:

Klementas --

yeah...gnustep and all it's apps are still somewhat experimental ... at least in the regard that apps come in three varieties: stable, "stable," and unstable. GWorkspace doesn't die on me at all ... are you running the latest version from my tarball?

GNUMail is definitely one of those "stable" apps ... it works, always has for ... but granted, I don't use IMAP. I suppose it's a sign of heavy development and not that many devs programming it.

ProjectCenter doesn't work with gorm? Like Gorm fails to load the .gorm file PC makes? Yeah... I just noticed that, too ... I'm putting together CVS pull releases that should take care of this issue. Looks like a bug or two got by the last offical releases.

And in general, I think that GNUstep is getting better, with an astonishing rate ... considering the number of developers. Objective-C in general maintains a pretty single minded paradigm with regards to being obect oriented, unlike C++ (both I love, but I believe C++'s multi-paradigm approach can lead the uninitiated downt the wrong road more readily that Objective-C). It's strange...it's an incredibly pleasant language to program in. I think, these original killer-app writers for GNUstep took a pretty hard challenge upon themselves, as the GNUstep core libraries themselves weren't that great until the last couple years (imho) ... but yeah, it's getting there...

thaks for testing! I'm probably gonna release another tarball today with some fixes for all this stuff.
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baetis · n00b Joined: 25 Apr 2002 Posts: 19

magi.sys · n00b Joined: 03 Dec 2002 Posts: 6 Location: Portland OR

I love obj-c and *Step frameworks. I hope more of us realize how great it is. All we need now is a clone of Quantrix, Lighthouse OpenWrite, and other great apps. I wonder if there are any opensource spreadsheet and workprocessors for OS X that can be ported to GNUStep?

Klementas · n00b Joined: 16 Apr 2003 Posts: 47 Location: Missouri

fafhrd,

fafhrd · Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:28 pm Post subject:

fafhrd · Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:30 pm Post subject:

.... and to all that watch this thread

I'm working on the next tarball ... Preferences will work now, it just needed a quick GNUmakefile patch. Also updating projectcenter, gorm, and gnumail.

Looking for more sensible apps to add as well.
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Klementas · n00b Joined: 16 Apr 2003 Posts: 47 Location: Missouri

fafhrd,

I can't do anything in GWorkspace, it segfaults as soon as I click on the "ignore" button on the cString error dialog box. I tried your suggestions but nothing worked.

here is my emerge info:

Portage 2.0.50-r8 (default-x86-1.4, gcc-3.3.3, glibc-2.3.3.20040420-r0, 2.6.5-ge
ntoo-r1)
=================================================================
System uname: 2.6.5-gentoo-r1 i686 VIA Samuel 2
Gentoo Base System version 1.4.16
Autoconf: sys-devel/autoconf-2.59-r4
Automake: sys-devel/automake-1.8.5-r1
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86 ~x86"
AUTOCLEAN="yes"
CFLAGS="-march=c3 -m3dnow -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe"
CHOST="i586-pc-linux-gnu"
COMPILER="gcc3"
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb /usr/kde/2/share/config /usr/kde/3/s
hare/config /usr/lib/mozilla/defaults/pref /usr/share/config /usr/share/texmf/dv
ipdfm/config/ /usr/share/texmf/dvips/config/ /usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/config
/ /usr/share/texmf/tex/platex/config/ /usr/share/texmf/xdvi/ /var/qmail/control"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/gconf /etc/terminfo /etc/env.d"
CXXFLAGS="-march=c3 -m3dnow -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe"
DISTDIR="/tmp/usr/portage/distfiles"
FEATURES="autoaddcvs ccache sandbox"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://gentoo.oregonstate.edu http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linu
x/distributions/gentoo"
MAKEOPTS="-j1"
PKGDIR="/tmp/usr/portage/packages"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/tmp"
PORTDIR="/tmp/usr/portage"
PORTDIR_OVERLAY="/usr/local/portage"
SYNC="rsync://rsync.namerica.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
USE="3dnow 3ds X X509 Xaw3d aalib acpi acpi4linux activefilter alsa apache2 athe
na atlas audiofile avi berkdb cddb cle266 crypt cscope cups curl dedicated dga d
illo divx4linux djbfft dnd doc dv dvd emacs encode escreen ethereal f77 faac faa
d fdftk fftw flac flash fltk fluidsynth fmod foomaticdb gd gdbm ggi gif gimpprin
t glade gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 icq idl imagemagick imap imlib imlib2 jabber jack
jack-caps jack-tmpfs javascript jpeg ladcca lcms libcaca libwww live lufsusermo
unt mad mbox mcal md5sum mikmod mmx mng motif mozilla moznocompose moznoirc mozn
omail mozsvg mpeg mpeg4 mpi mplayer msn ncurses net nogcj nomac objc oggvorbis o
pengl oscar oss pam parse-clocks pcap pda pdflib perl plotutils png ppds python
qt quicktime radeon readline ruby ruby18 sdl skey slang slp sox speex spell sqli
te ssl svg tcltk tcpd tetex tiff truetype unicode usb video_cards_radeon videos
vim-with-x wmf wxwindows x86 xgetdefault xml xml2 xmms xprint xv xvid yahoo yv12
zlib"

here is qpkg -I gnustep -v:

app-gnustep/terminal-0.9.5_pre20040616 *
app-gnustep/gnumail-1.2.0_pre20040616 *
app-gnustep/addresses-0.4.5 *
app-gnustep/preferences-1.3.0_pre20040627 *
app-gnustep/affiche-0.6.0 *
app-gnustep/gworkspace-0.6.6_pre20040627 *
gnustep-extra/prefsmodule-1.1.1_pre20040627 *
gnustep-extra/pantomime-1.2.0_pre20040616 *
gnustep-extra/artresources-0.1.2 *
gnustep-base/gnustep-back-art-0.9.3 *
gnustep-base/gnustep-env-0.1.0 *
gnustep-base/gnustep-make-1.9.2 *
gnustep-base/gnustep-back-xlib-0.9.3 *
gnustep-base/gnustep-base-1.9.2 *
gnustep-base/gnustep-gui-0.9.3 *
dev-gnustep/gorm-0.7.7 *
dev-gnustep/projectcenter-0.4.0 *
dev-gnustep/renaissance-0.8.0 *

Klementas · n00b Joined: 16 Apr 2003 Posts: 47 Location: Missouri

oops, forgot your other questions!

I'm not using libffi. And yes, the cString errors are in a dialog box, not CLI. GWorkspace however just segfaults with no ouput, unless I run it from an xterm , then it spits out what I've posted on the CLI.

Let me know if there is any other info that you need. Thanks again for all your help!

supernovus · Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 10:07 pm Post subject:

This is great, I haven't run GNUstep in a while, I'll definitely try out these new ebuilds fafhrd!

Now, if I can find a way to combine GNUstep, E17 and Rox... ;-)

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fafhrd · Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 11:37 pm Post subject:

i was recently thinking that e17 and it's libs would _rock_ with GNUstep ...

gnustep-back/gui needs to get updated to better support NETWM hints for window managers and such, but when it does, (once again) any window manager should "just work" ... the only real addition would be a openstep and/or os x like dock, but one that icons could be updated, ala WindowMaker or any WM that can run "Dock apps" ... such as the dock described here: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=174279&highlight=pretty+engage...which just so happens to be built on the E17 libaries. :-)

Not only that, but someone (*sigh* yeah, I thought about it for a while, but I'm on other projects at the moment) should make an evas backend ... conceivably, as evas get ported everywhere, so does GNUstep backend ;-)

... that and hardware acceleared stuff just working, would be great ... heck, the fast software rendering would be great.
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fafhrd · Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 11:38 pm Post subject:

wow, so this thread (and I) made this week's GWN, it seems ...

... so what am I now? a 17th degree geek? ;-)

I'd like to thank the Academy ...
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fafhrd · Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 11:59 pm Post subject:

okay, made another tar

this one offers:
- improved eclass
- preferences should compile for everyone now
- updated projectcenter
- updated gorm

http://armando.xylite.com/gentoo/gnustep-gentoo-062904.tar.gz

If you're new to this thread, check out the brief HOWOT at the top of page 3 ... I'll post updates accordingly. And most importantly: LEAVE FEEDBACK. This is, to me, the most important step, otherwise, this project is only good for me, not for everyone else, and that's just no fun. ;-)

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