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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 2:26 am    Post subject: kernel 2.6.6-love-sources VS various 2.6.6 kernels ?? Reply with quote

Hello everyone,

I'm new to gentoo, and just migrated from Mandrake(been loyal for a year), and I've done installing gentoo successfully yesterday, it's great, cuz it's the first time that I've walked thru all the configuration and compilation manually. :)

During the gentoo installation, I was hoping to get the 2.6.6.ebuild kernel, so I did "emerge gentoo-dev-sources", somehow I can only obtain 2.6.5-r1 :( which is what I ended up with now.

I want a 2.6.6 kernel, so I looked around on gentoo.org website and looked at the available packages, from there I noticed that 2.6.6 isn't marked stable or anything, but at kernel.org it shows the release is stable, so I was debating that whether I should upgrade or not.

Here I have 1 question that puzzles me.

Then I came across other threads people talking about 2.6.6 love-source, I'm curious, I did the command "emerge love-sources", it shows:
there are no masked or unmasked ebuilds to satisfy "love-sources".
I came back to the website and kept searching, couldn't find it anywhere at the gentoo's website, so is this an official source? if not, who created it ? 8O I can only find the love-sources at this website http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jpcox/

How do you guys think? should I upgrade to gentoo-dev-sources-2.6.6.ebuild? or some other good 2.6.6 (official gentoo kernel) ?


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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

love-sources is unstable and able to break ur box. its also able to make ur system rock like ninja. if ya feel like having fun, go w/ love
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I kind of have that feeling too, but why do some ppl say it's great 8O .
And who really made the "love-sources" ? Gentoo official??
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah, love has been extremely stable for me (in one instance, more stable than vanilla, but that was just the nforce-apic issue...). Love-sources were originally created by Lovechild (now known as Spawn of Lovechild), but now they are maintained by stee300 and OneofOne. They contain numerous patches to enhance desktop performance, the best of which include an anticipatory io scheduler (nicksched). They are similar to ck-sources.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

is this love source's official website? http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jpcox/
or it's just a mirror? 8O
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i believe its where the steel3000 puts his updates
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the official site for love-sources.

Because it's so "unstable" (but FAST), official gentoo dev's refuse to put it into portage.

See this thread for instructions how to install love-sources
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rainmaker,
I don't get it, since it's very "unstable", why using it regardless it's fast then 8O
hoping to have some good reasons to be convinced.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To say it's "unstable" is a bit misleading. I use the love-sources on all my boxes and none of them have stability problems. But from time to time things make it into a love release that can cause problems. It's an experimental patch set so you have to expect these things. For me, if I have bad luck with a release, I just go back to the last one that worked well for me until the next release.

They are great if you enjoy tinkering with new things. There's generally a new love release everytime there's an mm release, and sometimes more often than that. If you want the latest and the greatest, look no further.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi darksbane,
what version of love-source kernels are you using on all your boxes? :lol:
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have also been using love-sources since 2.6 was released and have had no problems with them. In the beginning i would compile and upgrade to each release, but since this meant that i'd sometimes be compiling a kernal up to 3 times a day i am now using a more "stable" aproach. I only upgrade my love-sources to the last stable release. This means, as soon as 2.6.7-r1-love1 is released, i will upgrade to 2.6.6-loveX. Right now i am running 2.6.5-love5 which was the last 2.6.5-release before 2.6.6-r1-love1. Using this approach i haven't had any problems whatsoever since 2.6.3.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If ur gonna use 2.6.6 love-sources I advise the use of 2.6.6-love4.
This is cuz love-5 got some problems with frambuffers and Reiser4, but of ut dont use those 2 u can go for 2.6.6-love5 too :)

Have fun, good luck and nice to see another love-user :)
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

love IS dangerous. i've installed 2.6.6-love2 but not running. my machine will LOCKUP after a few seconds in bash. so if you don't want to have too much hassle with your kernel, stick with gentoo-dev-source or mm-sources.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never heard love actually did damage. Sure, it's experimental (so is mm for that matter) and it's released without intensive testing. So some features might not work, but it has the latest patches, updates and features. There is a certain speed vs stability trade-off, so that's a choice you have to make. I wouldn't recommend love for servers or other production machines, but it's fun for a gaming box or workstation.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try it, it s most likly that it will as stable as a vanilla kernel. Just make sure that you have a fallback kernel configured in your boot loader in case the new one does not work for you.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi everyone, you are all very helpful and it's a nice community, I'd say thanks for the various inputs :) ,

to sum up that I'm still very skeptical about "love-sources", because no documentation, no nothing else, who knows what they have modded into the kernel 8O
perhaps it'd rock my socks, however I read from some other threads, there are pros and cons about love-sources, con is that it's still an unstable core, which means it breaks once a while... 8O, pro is that it's fast, but why needed that fast?

Is there any other good and stable 2.6.6 kernel that you would recommend? besides... mm-sources (unstable, testing relases).
I want a solid 2.6.6 beast 8O, any 2cents?

- a scared tad.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm using 2.6.6-love4. And there is too documentation! In the same ftp server is a patch notes file, with a list of all the patches that make up love.

If I ever switch from love, I usually just use the latest mm patch. The one in portage usually lags behind though, so I prefer to patch it by hand. If you want the most stable, why deviate from vanilla 2.6.6?
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

will try vanilla development's 2.6.6-rc1 :)
but does it mean it will have less functionalilities than others?
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beastmaster wrote:
Is there any other good and stable 2.6.6 kernel that you would recommend? besides... mm-sources (unstable, testing relases).
I want a solid 2.6.6 beast 8O, any 2cents?

Then I'd go with gentoo-dev-sources-2.6.6
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then I'd go with gentoo-dev-sources-2.6.6


I've tried it yesterday with emerge, and 2.6.5-r1 was the only one available...
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The gentoo-dev-sources-2.6.6 patch set is broken. See this thread, and this bug.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh well, in that case: development-sources-2.6.6
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

how about 2.6.6-mm4 kernel?
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beastmaster wrote:
how about 2.6.6-mm4 kernel?

mm is a somewhat experimental patch set too, which you seemed loath to try before. It's sometimes more, and sometimes less stable than vanilla. The latest is actually mm5, but mm4 might be what is in portage?
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what you've said, I'd either go with plain vanilla-sources or the gentoo-dev-sources. They're less likely to break or cause other problems than either mm-sources or love-sources.

You could also just try each of the kernels people have mentioned - use them for a while and see which one you're happiest with.
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