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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder why someone would want to install IE :?:
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wonder why someone would want to install IE :?:


i have ie installed, because i have ibm lotus notes client/admin/developer installed on my gentoo box. and when i do development in the ibm lotus domino designer, i need (well not me. but my customers) from time to time the stupid activex objects from ie.

that's it. but for surfing i don't need ie. for me ie is not usefull as an browser.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wonder why someone would want to install IE :?:


Well the reason i need IE is because at work i am one of only two linux users, and that was by personal choice. All our other corporate desktops run windows with IE, so to make the development work i do on the corporate intranet easier i run IE on wine on my desktop, saves the expense of VMware and of having to trundle off to someone elses machine everytime i need to test something.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wonder why someone would want to install IE :?:

i'm a webmaster and i need IE only to check if the pages i make look ok in IE. i don't browse the net with IE :-)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:48 am    Post subject: Why would anyone want to install IE? Reply with quote

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I wonder why someone would want to install IE :?:


Because if you're a professional web developer, despite the fact that nobody in the know uses IE any more, you have to bear in mind that still something like 80% of web users out there are using IE.

IE's page rendering is so badly broken that if you're writing sites in pure XHTML (CSS layout only) then you need to regularly test your pages in IE as you develop them, otherwise you risk having a perfectly working site in Firefox (and every other good browser under the sun) that is totally screwed in IE.

Believe me when I say I'd love to tell IE to go to hell, and to see Microsoft kicked out of the W3C for all the problems they cause those of us who develop to proper web standards, but the fact is that if you're a professional website developer, you HAVE to cater for IE, since that's what most people use.

I can't tell my customers "yeah, this site works great, but don't try it in IE" because that's not an option - I'd lose all my customers that way! So, sadly, we have to develop for IE as well, despite the fact that it's a total bitch.

I hate IE more than almost any other piece of software around, but I want to get it running under Wine to save me having to reboot in Windows to test my sites.

If that wasn't bad enough the Mac version of IE (now discontinued, thankfully) has a completely different rendering engine with a different set of quirks to the Windows version of IE. Which is why I now have an old Beige G3 kicking around to test my sites on, since there's no possibility of emulating MacOS on an x86.

Microsoft have totally ruined the possibility of writing 100% standards compliant code (without requiring little CSS hacks to cater for IE) for at least the next three or so years until people stop using IE 5 and 6. Gee, thanks Microsoft, you f#ckers!!! :evil:
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice howto btw but my question is why ? ie is a terrible browser
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are many sites that only work in IE. One that I myself like is http://launch.yahoo.com/

Besides, many web developers need IE to ensure that their sites look and work OK for 98% of the population.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:16 am    Post subject: Re: [SPLIT] Why IE in Wine? Reply with quote

madchaz wrote:
Just curious why people want to run IE on linux


In my case it's because Windows/IE is the company-mandated browser option. Some of our internal websites work just fine with Firefox, others check your browser id and won't let you continue if you don't have IE. The rest show varying degrees of crappiness depending on how smart the web designer tried to be.

Fortunately, I found that the IE-only sites generally work OK with Konqueror set to pretend that it's IE. I even went so far as to copy and edit the browser ID files to give myself a couple of other options. Oddly enough, the IE-only sites don't seem to care about me using "Internet Explorer on a Sega Dreamcast" or even "Internet Explorer 6.0 on a Smith Corona Typewriter"...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, because two sites I need to access (a customer support system my company uses that I need to access out-of-hours from home, and my bank's online-banking site) both _require_ IE and are so dodgily-written that they won't render properly in Konqueror, and refuse to have anything to do with Mozilla, Opera, Mz-Firefox etc.

Apart from that I bore everyone I know telling them never to use it, I actually feel like I've defiled my Gentoo system putting this shite on it. I'm embarrased, I really am.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only reason I would is because my router web page config does not display properly in any browser other than ie. :(
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Only reason I would is because my router web page config does not display properly in any browser other than ie. :(


I'm sorry, but that's just insane! What on earth does a router need to be doing with anything that's not relatively pure html?? I can see that company web pages need some razzle-dazzle to make them look smooth and sophisticated, but a router?? Better to use the memory for port forwarding and such, surely?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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NOTE: IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A VALID EULA FOR ANY "OS PRODUCT" (INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, MICROSOFT WINDOWS 98, MICROSOFT WINDOWS NT 4.0, MICROSOFT WINDOWS 2000, MICROSOFT MILLENNIUM EDITION, MICROSOFT WINDOWS XP, OR ANY OTHER MICROSOFT OPERATING SYSTEM THAT IS A SUCCESSOR TO ANY OF THE FOREGOING OPERATING SYSTEMS) YOU ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO INSTALL, COPY, OR OTHERWISE USE THE OS COMPONENTS AND YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS UNDER THIS SUPPLEMENTAL EULA.


Read it again. It is 100% legal to install IE if you don't own a Windows license, although they intended to make it illegal. You have to have a valid license for any "OS PRODUCT" including bla bla bla, which doesn't mean that OTHER products are excluded, thus Gentoo Linux would count as "OS PRODUCT". Just make sure to keep a copy of the GPL.

EULAs always remind me of nigerian mugu e-mails, WITH ALL-CAPS TO IMPROVE READABILITY AND IMPORTANCE, and some stupid mistakes which makes everything pointless.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

teedog wrote:
There are many sites that only work in IE. One that I myself like is http://launch.yahoo.com/


Web development is an excuse to use IE (no matter what platform), but that Yahoo site isn't. Firstly it displays propely in Firefox 1.0 (I think I see the site quite like it was intended to look, although the design still sucks), and secondly if a webpage is so shitty that it doesn't even display in quirks mode, your first reaction should always be to fire off insulting e-mails to the webmaster and boycott that site.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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NOTE: IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A VALID EULA FOR ANY "OS PRODUCT" (INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, MICROSOFT WINDOWS 98, MICROSOFT WINDOWS NT 4.0, MICROSOFT WINDOWS 2000, MICROSOFT MILLENNIUM EDITION, MICROSOFT WINDOWS XP, OR ANY OTHER MICROSOFT OPERATING SYSTEM THAT IS A SUCCESSOR TO ANY OF THE FOREGOING OPERATING SYSTEMS) YOU ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO INSTALL, COPY, OR OTHERWISE USE THE OS COMPONENTS AND YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS UNDER THIS SUPPLEMENTAL EULA.


Read it again. It is 100% legal to install IE if you don't own a Windows license, although they intended to make it illegal. You have to have a valid license for any "OS PRODUCT" including bla bla bla, which doesn't mean that OTHER products are excluded, thus Gentoo Linux would count as "OS PRODUCT". Just make sure to keep a copy of the GPL.

EULAs always remind me of nigerian mugu e-mails, WITH ALL-CAPS TO IMPROVE READABILITY AND IMPORTANCE, and some stupid mistakes which makes everything pointless.


I haven't read the EULA for some time, but are you sure it doesn't define "OS PRODUCT" to be a Microsoft OS Product???
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sounds good to me...
Where is my Gentoo EULA actually?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some programs from windows require you to have IE. Wine would install IE and then other programs that need it would be okay.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ANY "OS PRODUCT" (INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION
Sounds good to me...
Where is my Gentoo EULA actually?
Right here :wink:
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my workplace uses a billing system that ONLY supports i frames
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i dont have to wine ie now :-D got it working in mozilla
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:56 am    Post subject: launchcast on linux Reply with quote

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teedog wrote:
There are many sites that only work in IE. One that I myself like is http://launch.yahoo.com/


Web development is an excuse to use IE (no matter what platform), but that Yahoo site isn't. Firstly it displays propely in Firefox 1.0 (I think I see the site quite like it was intended to look, although the design still sucks), and secondly if a webpage is so shitty that it doesn't even display in quirks mode, your first reaction should always be to fire off insulting e-mails to the webmaster and boycott that site.


I did shoot off lambasting emails to yahoo, but strangely I don't hold out much hope of them listening to me. besides, the problem with launch isn't display, it's the actual function of the launchcast radio station. I've got a sweet station built up, but it only "launches" (wow that's a great almost unintended pun) from IE. if they made it work in firefox I'd pay them for their precious Launchcast PLUS.

That being said, does anyone know of a way to get launchcast to work without using IE? like in XMMS or something? I'm currently emerging wine to give this IE thing a try to make it work at home, but I'm not holding my breath cause I'm pretty sure it's dependent on windows media player.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Why would anyone want to install IE? Reply with quote

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pYrania wrote:
I wonder why someone would want to install IE :?:


Because if you're a professional web developer, despite the fact that nobody in the know uses IE any more, you have to bear in mind that still something like 80% of web users out there are using IE.

IE's page rendering is so badly broken that if you're writing sites in pure XHTML (CSS layout only) then you need to regularly test your pages in IE as you develop them, otherwise you risk having a perfectly working site in Firefox (and every other good browser under the sun) that is totally screwed in IE.

Believe me when I say I'd love to tell IE to go to hell, and to see Microsoft kicked out of the W3C for all the problems they cause those of us who develop to proper web standards, but the fact is that if you're a professional website developer, you HAVE to cater for IE, since that's what most people use.

I can't tell my customers "yeah, this site works great, but don't try it in IE" because that's not an option - I'd lose all my customers that way! So, sadly, we have to develop for IE as well, despite the fact that it's a total bitch.

I hate IE more than almost any other piece of software around, but I want to get it running under Wine to save me having to reboot in Windows to test my sites.

If that wasn't bad enough the Mac version of IE (now discontinued, thankfully) has a completely different rendering engine with a different set of quirks to the Windows version of IE. Which is why I now have an old Beige G3 kicking around to test my sites on, since there's no possibility of emulating MacOS on an x86.

Microsoft have totally ruined the possibility of writing 100% standards compliant code (without requiring little CSS hacks to cater for IE) for at least the next three or so years until people stop using IE 5 and 6. Gee, thanks Microsoft, you f#ckers!!! :evil:


amen to that!!! what a rant, but exactly how I feel. I definitely hope W3C will be strong enough to force IE to obey to their standards, as that's what standards are truely for. In the end it would only put the fun back into webdev because face it, a lot of time is lost because of the endless browser incompatibilities.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uni network uses Novell BorderManager to login to the Wireless Proxy Server

It's IE Only...

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:59 am    Post subject: Re: Why would anyone want to install IE? Reply with quote

d3vlin wrote:
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pYrania wrote:
I wonder why someone would want to install IE :?:


Because if you're a professional web developer, despite the fact that nobody in the know uses IE any more, you have to bear in mind that still something like 80% of web users out there are using IE.

IE's page rendering is so badly broken that if you're writing sites in pure XHTML (CSS layout only) then you need to regularly test your pages in IE as you develop them, otherwise you risk having a perfectly working site in Firefox (and every other good browser under the sun) that is totally screwed in IE.

Believe me when I say I'd love to tell IE to go to hell, and to see Microsoft kicked out of the W3C for all the problems they cause those of us who develop to proper web standards, but the fact is that if you're a professional website developer, you HAVE to cater for IE, since that's what most people use.

I can't tell my customers "yeah, this site works great, but don't try it in IE" because that's not an option - I'd lose all my customers that way! So, sadly, we have to develop for IE as well, despite the fact that it's a total bitch.

I hate IE more than almost any other piece of software around, but I want to get it running under Wine to save me having to reboot in Windows to test my sites.

If that wasn't bad enough the Mac version of IE (now discontinued, thankfully) has a completely different rendering engine with a different set of quirks to the Windows version of IE. Which is why I now have an old Beige G3 kicking around to test my sites on, since there's no possibility of emulating MacOS on an x86.

Microsoft have totally ruined the possibility of writing 100% standards compliant code (without requiring little CSS hacks to cater for IE) for at least the next three or so years until people stop using IE 5 and 6. Gee, thanks Microsoft, you f#ckers!!! :evil:


amen to that!!! what a rant, but exactly how I feel. I definitely hope W3C will be strong enough to force IE to obey to their standards, as that's what standards are truely for. In the end it would only put the fun back into webdev because face it, a lot of time is lost because of the endless browser incompatibilities.


I am not a developer but Microsoft definitely tries to make it hard for anybody to use any other product...which is of course wrong and annoying.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know what's fascinating?

Look at the date on the top post of this thread.

Now look at a clock.

Uh huh.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only site I've ever come across that requires IE6 is Windows Update, and I really don't need that
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