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MasterX
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 Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 5:43 am Post subject: Re: How I got x.org up and running |
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| tcs wrote: |
Let's start removing that deprecated xfree thing  (you made a backup of your data!!!) |
Maybe this is a stupid question, but what data do I need to backup? Are they related to X11 or to personal data?
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 6:24 am Post subject: |
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successfully emerged xorg-x11 
thanks for the great howto
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 6:28 am Post subject: |
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Yeah I got it too, I had some trouble with the config, some of the oddball stuff I had in mine doens't convert over. Oh well, xorg is going and urnning great.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:36 am Post subject: Re: Internationalization? |
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| squallbsr wrote: | | Anybody using Japanese fonts? Anybody know if changing to xorg will mess up the fonts and font rendering stuff for hiragana and such... |
Err... No, it doesn't. Must be something with your install, since I have no problems at all. |
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e-nigma
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 11:52 am Post subject: |
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I've not quite understood the difference between XFree and Xorg. What will it actually change for me if I switch to XOrg
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| e-nigma wrote: | | I've not quite understood the difference between XFree and Xorg. What will it actually change for me if I switch to XOrg |
Nothing really big that I know of, xorg is pretty much the same thing as xfree with basic changes in code and fonts. Probably the biggest reason I'm switching to Xorg is because there won't be anymore xfree updates in portage, unless they change the license. So for now, it's a question of convinience/simplicity for me. Also wanted to try something new.
| MootaKiNG wrote: | OK its weird.
I installed xorg last night. it was fine.
Today i read this thread and then do "emerge sync" then do "emerge -uUDp world". And see that it wants to install xfree.
Therefore something happened between yesterday and tonight.
So, all those problems up there ^^^ is all related and somehow needs to be solved. I have no idea how to
So, someone with a bit more knowledge please go right ahead
Its not really a problem for me. I just upgraded each programs, except xfree, individually. |
Try injecting it:
| tcs wrote: | Additional things:
When updating ati-drivers portage wants xfree, I just injected it by typing
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emerge --inject x11-base/xfree-4.3.0-r5
that gave me an error:
Code:
!!! BAD COUNTER in 'x11-base/xfree-4.3.0-r5'
but also said
Code:
>>> Injected x11-base/xfree-4.3.0-r5.
To be sure I tried
Code:
emerge ati-drivers -pv
which gave me
Code:
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild N ] media-video/ati-drivers-3.2.8-r1 +gnome -kde -qt 4,262 kB
Total size of downloads: 4,262 kB
So the error seems to be not critical |
Only after you unmerge xfree though. It works for me
Thanks for the how-to, nothing broke
*Edit*
Oh ya, I was wondering, does xorg have true transparency? |
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MooktaKiNG
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| crazedmodder wrote: | | e-nigma wrote: | | I've not quite understood the difference between XFree and Xorg. What will it actually change for me if I switch to XOrg |
Nothing really big that I know of, xorg is pretty much the same thing as xfree with basic changes in code and fonts. Probably the biggest reason I'm switching to Xorg is because there won't be anymore xfree updates in portage, unless they change the license. So for now, it's a question of convinience/simplicity for me. Also wanted to try something new.
| MootaKiNG wrote: | OK its weird.
I installed xorg last night. it was fine.
Today i read this thread and then do "emerge sync" then do "emerge -uUDp world". And see that it wants to install xfree.
Therefore something happened between yesterday and tonight.
So, all those problems up there ^^^ is all related and somehow needs to be solved. I have no idea how to
So, someone with a bit more knowledge please go right ahead
Its not really a problem for me. I just upgraded each programs, except xfree, individually. |
Try injecting it:
| tcs wrote: | Additional things:
When updating ati-drivers portage wants xfree, I just injected it by typing
Code:
emerge --inject x11-base/xfree-4.3.0-r5
that gave me an error:
Code:
!!! BAD COUNTER in 'x11-base/xfree-4.3.0-r5'
but also said
Code:
>>> Injected x11-base/xfree-4.3.0-r5.
To be sure I tried
Code:
emerge ati-drivers -pv
which gave me
Code:
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild N ] media-video/ati-drivers-3.2.8-r1 +gnome -kde -qt 4,262 kB
Total size of downloads: 4,262 kB
So the error seems to be not critical |
Only after you unmerge xfree though. It works for me
Thanks for the how-to, nothing broke
*Edit*
Oh ya, I was wondering, does xorg have true transparency? |
I d2on't think there's a problem with my installtion. I thinks its a portage thing
However i'm on no rush to get this working. I'll just wait for portage to be fixed, or whatever the solution is. and i'll try and put the solution to use the next time when i need to upgrade xorg-x11, which i think will be very soon.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| crazedmodder wrote: |
Oh ya, I was wondering, does xorg have true transparency? |
Nope. You can see the new features of Xorg in the Release Notes
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Can anyone confirm that xorg builds happily against 2.6 headers?
I switched to 2.6 (2.6.4 to be exact) headers in order to use NPTL, and I've read things in other threads that make me think I might have dramas building xorg. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 4:09 am Post subject: |
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| Malice wrote: | Can anyone confirm that xorg builds happily against 2.6 headers?
I switched to 2.6 (2.6.4 to be exact) headers in order to use NPTL, and I've read things in other threads that make me think I might have dramas building xorg. |
I'm running xorg x11 with kernel 2.6.5 right now. Although I currently have some issues with spacing between characters for some fonts. |
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Sastraxi
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I've got 2.6.4. Here's what I did.
[code]emerge sync
emerge --unmerge xfree
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge xorg-x11
etc-update, -3, y, y, y, y... etc
cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/xorg.conf
opengl-update xorg-x11
startx
And everything was exactly as it was before. However I did notice one thing different; "sans" is no longer linked to verdana (from corefonts), it's linked to arial or something. As such, you might notice a few changes in the fonts (which is easily remedied with the proper changes to Verdana). |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 6:14 am Post subject: |
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now i really would like to atempt this but i have this problem preventing me...
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| Hey, thank you! I was wondering when and how this X change would take place, .. now i'll take a closer look on that |
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ok. now i'm thru
first, for those who are curious what would happen if you stop xdm from an xterm in a logged in session : err.. just don't do it.. i'll hopefully don't do it twice.
everything went fine. never used the x font server before .. every paths fixed in the configs, but forgot to copy my custom fonts to the new dirs in the first place. copying and restarting xfs fixed this. some apps in X are using different fonts now, but these are not really problems.
using the nvida-opengl-drivers are not troubleing either.
so, thanks again for the howto! |
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MooktaKiNG
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One very important thing that people need to do is add "x11-base/xorg-x11 ~x86" to /etc/portage/package.keywords (create the folder if its doesn't exist).
Now when you do emerge -uU world, portage won't try to install xfree.
Thats the problem i had for days.
This solved it.
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I keep getting
(EE) Failed to load module "bitmap" (module does not exist, 0)
(EE) Failed to load module "pcidata" (module does not exist, 0)
Fatal server error:
Unable to load required base modules, Exiting...
I don't know what is causing. The wiki says to reinstall. and I have, 4 times now, with different use and cflags. The compile seems to go well....
I found a /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a wich is what I belive it is talking about, and even did chmod 777 but it still doesn't work.
This is being down with kernel 2.6 with grsec, gcc 3.3.3, and nplt, -hardened, -pie, -fstack-protector. I also tried it without -pie. The logs don't have anything else of note.
any ideas?
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| Malice wrote: | Can anyone confirm that xorg builds happily against 2.6 headers?
I switched to 2.6 (2.6.4 to be exact) headers in order to use NPTL, and I've read things in other threads that make me think I might have dramas building xorg. |
I reinstalled the entire OS from scratch using 2.6.3-r2 headers and kernel.
I never even had to emerge xfree
No problems whatsoever |
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| Insanity5902 wrote: | in your ocnfig file, you must have bitmap and pcidata Options set.
Just comment them out and you should be fine. |
No it does nothing. But I did manage to fix it. Apperently You can't have lines like this anymore :
RgbPath "/usr/share/fonts/Type1"
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When I installed xorg-x11 I noticed that it installed these other packages:
rpm2targz
utempter
xterm
Are these really necessary? I don't use xterm, I use aterm and have no desire to create tar.gz files from rpms. Is is safe to unmerge these?
Jason
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| jmusits wrote: | When I installed xorg-x11 I noticed that it installed these other packages:
rpm2targz
utempter
xterm
Are these really necessary? I don't use xterm, I use aterm and have no desire to create tar.gz files from rpms. Is is safe to unmerge these?
Jason |
i think xterm is part of X server. It's always installed.
I think its trying to reinstall, to update to a newer version.
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I'm not so sure about that, as both ebuilds for xterm are masked right now. Unless xterm is part of the xfree package and not included in the xorg-x11 package, then it would make sense to me that xterm needs to be emerged.
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MooktaKiNG
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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still xterm isn't such bad thing.
Its very small.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:41 am Post subject: |
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anyone tried installing this when doing a fresh gentoo install? i mean no Xfree installed to begin with?
just curious on how you would configure everything, before i dive right in. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:27 am Post subject: |
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I've got a small tip for FGLRX users. By default, you're stuck between a rock and a hard place as the ati opengl no longer provides libglx.a needed for hardware acceleration. However, xorg-x11 opengl does, yet does not provide the ati libraries.
Here's a dirty little hack:
| Code: | $ su -
# cd /usr/lib/opengl
# cp ati/lib/* xorg-x11/lib
# opengl-update xorg-x11
# exit |
Now, reload x.org and you will have hardware acceleration! (no "fbconfig not found" and no "GLX extension missing")! Yay! |
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