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Hydraulix
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Has anyone gotten this to work on the PPC platform? I can't wait to get rid of Xfree and try something new. 
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If you check my posts on the second page of this thread, you can read a little bit about how I got it working on PPC. There's also at least one other person on the forums who got it working on PPC.
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| MooktaKiNG wrote: | One very important thing that people need to do is add "x11-base/xorg-x11 ~x86" to /etc/portage/package.keywords (create the folder if its doesn't exist).
Now when you do emerge -uU world, portage won't try to install xfree.
Thats the problem i had for days.
This solved it. |
I understand why this above is nescesary, but after adding that I get this:
This is what I get now:
| Code: | root@ex portage # emerge -pvUD world
>>> --upgradeonly implies --update... adding --update to options.
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating world dependencies -
!!! all ebuilds that could satisfy "x11-terms/xterm" have been masked.
!!! possible candidates are:
- x11-terms/xterm-184 (masked by: ~keyword)
- x11-terms/xterm-179 (masked by: ~keyword)
!!! Problem with ebuild media-sound/xmms-1.2.10-r1
!!! Possibly a DEPEND/*DEPEND problem.
!!! Depgraph creation failed.
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Now what?
Edit: emerge -pvU world works fine.
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KenTI
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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got it working perfectly on a athlon xp 2000 desktop and a p4 2000 notebook, just emerge -C xfree and ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge xorg-x11, and then changed fonts.conf anf the font infos in xorg.conf
i notice no great difference on the notebook (i've got an ATI radeon but not yet using the ati-drivers) but on the athlon, with a nvidia card using just the nv driver (still got problems to get the nvidia module working on the 2.6.6-mm6 kernel..) it looks more smooth and faster
and about the backup, i used partimage to create a backup of my whole root partition before starting the upgrade
by the way i didn't expect to work so good at the first trial on both computers |
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MooktaKiNG
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Lejban wrote: | I understand why this above is nescesary, but after adding that I get this:
This is what I get now:
| Code: | root@ex portage # emerge -pvUD world
>>> --upgradeonly implies --update... adding --update to options.
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating world dependencies -
!!! all ebuilds that could satisfy "x11-terms/xterm" have been masked.
!!! possible candidates are:
- x11-terms/xterm-184 (masked by: ~keyword)
- x11-terms/xterm-179 (masked by: ~keyword)
!!! Problem with ebuild media-sound/xmms-1.2.10-r1
!!! Possibly a DEPEND/*DEPEND problem.
!!! Depgraph creation failed.
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Now what?
Edit: emerge -pvU world works fine. |
Yeh i get that error too. But i can't figure out why though. However, at least its not trying to emerge xfree every time i do an upgrade 
, if anyone knows how to fix this let me know.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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W00tar!
Another pretty painless conversion.
I rebooted to get everything working right. I'm sure I could have done it without the reboot, but I was feeling lazy. |
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i tried it today.
first on my work machine, and a few hours later at home. i was amazed at how well it worked! i though of CVS-hell and weeks of compilation... but no. just plain and simple
/etc/init.d/xdm stop
emerge unmerge xfree
emerge xorg-x11
etc-update
/etc/init.d/xdm start
[i missed a couple of lines... ati-drivers was reemerged and opengl-update ati was made, not forgetting the xfree inject technique (which should not be necessary)...]
but that's not the best... KDE takes about 1 fourth of the time it took to load than it took with xfree!!!! any ideas why?
it took around 4-5 seconds to load; now, with xorg, in about a second it is up and running! WHOAAAA!!!
i had differences in the font-renderings but nothing serious... just a bit ... different.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 3:18 am Post subject: reasoning? |
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| Is there any real reason one should rush to switch to xorg? With the random assorted problems I was wondering if it was really a wise decision for the majority of users. |
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NeighborhoodGullwings
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| Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:07 am Post subject: Re: reasoning? |
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| GenKreton wrote: | | Is there any real reason one should rush to switch to xorg? With the random assorted problems I was wondering if it was really a wise decision for the majority of users. |
Only if you want to try something "new". And unless something drastic happens, this will become the new "default" x-server (if it isn't already declared as such). |
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If you have problems with libbitmap.a and/or libpcidata.a you need to do
and recompile it. |
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| Trellph wrote: | If you have problems with libbitmap.a and/or libpcidata.a you need to do
and recompile it. |
If you have that wrapper.
Hardened-gcc has been depreciated. USE flags are the new standerd. Try USE="-hardened -propolice -pic -pie" AND then put -fstack-protector in your cflags for hardened-gcc -a, and removing them for hardened-gcc -r.
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The fact that X had a licence change and is now excluded by many distros including Gentoo and that there was no real convincing alternative really disheartened me. I am now seriously considering switching entirely to MacOSX. So far I am extremely pleased with what I see. Look here for further information. Apparently, both gentoo portage and XFree run on MacOSX. Without a powerful and versatile X environment Linux is limited to the server domain.
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| Narada wrote: | | The fact that X had a licence change and is now excluded by many distros including Gentoo and that there was no real convincing alternative really disheartened me. I am now seriously considering switching entirely to MacOSX. So far I am extremely pleased with what I see. Look here for further information. Apparently, both gentoo portage and XFree run on MacOSX. Without a powerful and versatile X environment Linux is limited to the server domain. |
let me disagree:
1. xorg is a convincing alternative. actually, xorg is not very different from xfree. the current xorg is a branch of the latest xfree code with the older licence, plus some extensive bug-fixing and a couple of new features. so, for now xorg is almost the same as xfree
2. i will not discuss your opinion or your decision to switch over to macosx
3. linux will not be "without a powerful and versatile X environment". if distributions remove xfree, xorg will replace. the future is very bright for xorg, as there are substantial optimizations in the code and some very relevant new features.
don't be dissapointed with the recent news. i think that in time, this is a big step in a better direction, while not breaking usability through app's incompatibilities.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| Isn't there a way to set X.org in the virtuals file instead of having to inject XFree? |
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yeah i had to go through and manaully change my virtual file, but it only works if the depend is virtual/x11 and not x11-base/xfree,
If it is x11-base/xfree then you have to either inject xfree or edit the ebuild, I just do that later of the two and edit the ebuild.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| Jigglypuff wrote: | If you check my posts on the second page of this thread, you can read a little bit about how I got it working on PPC. There's also at least one other person on the forums who got it working on PPC.
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Thanks. I have x.org installed. But I'm having some trouble with the config.
Does anyone have a iBook dual USB config I can check out?
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| Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:29 am Post subject: Re: radeon mobility patch |
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| patroclo7 wrote: | I have a radeon mobility IGP 320 (U1). With xfree, I had dri functioning only patching a xfree 4.3.99.16... I read that many xfree long-term patches have been included in xorg. Does someone know if mine has been included too? As an alternative, do you know if there is a corresponding patch for xorg?
I'd like to switch, but enabling dri in xfree was such a nightmare that I do not want to risk to go back  |
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| El_Presidente_Pufferfish wrote: | Does anybody else see the really ugly checkerboard background before your standard wallpaper/kdm starts?
i looked in the patch to fix it for xfree, and the change is already there(defaultserverargs="-br"), so i don't know how to get rid of it |
The change is only there for startx. You'll need to edit the line your *dm calls X with to add -br, in the dm config file. |
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| aroben wrote: | Here's the deal with the xfree dependency (at least this is how I understand it):
x11-base/xorg-x11 wants to emerge x11-terms/xterm
x11-terms/xterm depends on virtual/x11 (basically, there needs to be some kind of X server installed for xterm to build)
x11-base/xfree is what fulfills this virtual/x11 dependency for most people (other things like x11-base/kdrive would also work)
When you emerge -C xfree, this line is removed from /var/cache/edb/virtuals:
| Code: | | virtual/x11 x11-base/xfree |
So now the virtual/x11 dependency reverts to the default (which happens to be x11-base/xfree). This is why you see xfree listed when you do emerge -p.
To get around it, add this line to /var/cache/edb/virtuals:
| Code: | | virtual/x11 x11-base/xorg-x11 |
This will make xterm use xorg-x11 as it's dependency instead of xfree.
I think this is a bug in portage, because the xorg-x11 ebuild specifies that it provides a virtual/x11 equivalent, but portage doesn't realize this when calculating xterm's dependencies (even though it will be emerged after xorg-x11). Does anyone know if this is a legitimate bug?
-Adam |
Yes it's a bug, yes a patch exists, no it's not committed yet.
Try http://dev.gentoo.org/~jstubbs/patches/2.0.50-r6-empty-fakedb.patch
It allows to-be-merged packages to fulfill dependencies, but it doesn't work on virtuals. This means xterm should work, but ttf-bitstream-vera may need to be edited since it calls the virtual. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| jmusits wrote: | I'm not so sure about that, as both ebuilds for xterm are masked right now. Unless xterm is part of the xfree package and not included in the xorg-x11 package, then it would make sense to me that xterm needs to be emerged.
Jason |
Correct. It is part of xfree and we broke it out for xorg-x11. |
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dberkholz
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| Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:42 am Post subject: Re: How I got x.org up and running |
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| tcs wrote: | <UPDATED>
corrected /etc/X11/XF86Config and /etc/X11/xorg.conf, ikshaar mentioned this, thx
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man, gentoo is too fast for me...
whole howto is not necessary anymore, you only need to unmerge xfree, emerge xorg, edit your configs and that's it |
Actually, all the config files should auto-update now.
My preferred way is:
Back up xfree install
Build a binary package of xorg
| Code: | | emerge --buildpkg --nodeps xorg-x11 |
Get rid of xfree
| Code: | | emerge unmerge xfree |
Install xorg
| Code: | | emerge --usepkg xorg-x11 |
Update your config files
If you used xfree's OpenGL instead of ati-drivers or nvidia-glx,
| Code: | | opengl-update xorg-x11 |
Check out https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=163188 for a little more info. |
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I've emerged it and messed around with it a bit, but I can't get xfs to start. It returns the following message:
| Code: | | start-stop-daemon: stat /usr/X11R6/bin/xfs: No such file or directory [!!] |
Obviously, xfs is not located there, but how do I change these settings? Please note that I am new to gentoo and have never run X on this system. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:45 am Post subject: |
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you don't (or can't?) use xfs with xorg-x11 it has it simulates it or something like that ... not sure on the details, just know it is not needed.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Which is the fastest... xorg or XFree? Whick is eating less memory? |
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xorg is faster here.
and hopefully the ssh fix will be done soon, if it's not been fixed allready |
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