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What do you think about an unstable branch ?
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not necessary
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Joined: 15 Apr 2002
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2002 6:29 pm    Post subject: Unstable Branch Reply with quote

I would realy suggest to have a unstable branch. It's a big waste of time for the everyday-user to figure out what is important to upgrade or not.
Most of us wont spend hours a day for upgrading and runing etc-update.

I would suggest to have a variable like

in every .ebuild file or something like that. If I perform a emerge -s foo, and there is a stable AND an unstable version, both are shown, possible in different colors...

After I decide to want foo unstable I have to request it via
emerge --unstable foo

I think this will safe us a lot of everyday trouble, also it makes packages.mask redundant. Storing such information in a centralized area isn't that good idea.
Felix Kurth
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2002 8:50 pm    Post subject: Huzzah Reply with quote

An unstable branch would be excellent. I have told Gentoo do to an emerge -u world overnight and come back the next day to find out that X is broken, that it suddenly installed Gnome because of a dependency change, etc. This sucks. (BTW, on a more recent note, XFree 4.2.0-r9 refuses to work -- which is auto-upgraded.)
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 5:41 am    Post subject: Unstable branch Reply with quote

I totally agree with the unstable branch idea. Having one was
fine until the tree got really big. Maybe ebuilds need to be
tested better before being unmasked.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 5:46 am    Post subject: Not only an unstable branch, but how about a stable branch? Reply with quote

I'd like to see a solid stable branch also, something that is highly tested and could be put on a production server... I'd like to have a completely optimized from scratch linux distro on a server, but currently I can't trust Gentoo, because things are likely to be broken at any given moment...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 6:55 am    Post subject: Damn straight Reply with quote

Damn straight.. Especially if you want to do automatic updates on a nightly/weekly basis.

There are a couple of buggy packages already so it would be good it have a stable version. (see my mkisofs post)
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2002 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I couldn't agree more about having seperate branches, there should ba a stable branch: this branch would only change for security and bigfixes, there should be a contrib branch where non-developer submitted ebuilds reside (use at your own risk) , and there should be an unstable branch where all development work is being done for the next release of gentoo.

I would use gentoo on our network if I could trust that packages weren't changing and breaking without any sort of distribution level version control.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2002 3:02 am    Post subject: Need stability Reply with quote

I like the idea of having ebuilds for whatever my heart desires and to live on the cutting edge. However, this is my production box. I would like it to be stable, and I would like the ability to have the current stable version of a prog, rather than whatever just got patched in the CVS. The one thing that slightly annoyed me about the install was the fact that Gentoo took the stable 2.4.18 kernel and patched it with the 2.4.19-pre1 patch. I didn't want a pre-kernel. Also, I'm wanting KOffice. However, I cannot simply emerge the stable 1.1.1 version of KOffice that is fully KDE 3 compatible. There is the latest beta of 1.2 for download and compile. I don't want KOffice beta, but so far, I have not seen a work around to get the 1.1.1 version I see when browsing Gentoo's CVS. Anyway, I think these situation taken together with the others here warrant seperate stable, devlopment, and contrib Gentoo trees. Thank you for all of the hard work you have done, though.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2002 2:49 am    Post subject: What, this isn't unstable enough? Reply with quote


I'd really like to see some breakout of various stabilities, but just as importantly, I'd like to see each package tested in isolation on a fresh box before making Stable.

Last week, I got Gentoo onto a box smoothly and without a hitch. Today, I haven't gotten Gnome OR KDE to merge correctly because of missing files.
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