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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 4:42 pm    Post subject: linux css editor Reply with quote

ok, I've been dual booting various flavours of linux alongside winXP for about two years now and REALLY want to make the move to a linux-only system. The only catch is the one killer app that I use all the time on winXP, TopStyle Pro CSS editor.

Does anyone know of a good native linux css editor? I haven't tried topstyle with wine yet (I tend to use wine a a last resort because I don't seem to have much luck with it), but would much rather go native is possible.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluefish? jedit?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ and $EDITOR?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most web IDEs like bluefish, quanta and screem will have a built in css editor. Screem's is particularly good.

However, there's cssed, a dedicated GTK2 app for this job. app-editors/cssed.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ari Rahikkala wrote:
http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ and $EDITOR?


This is my favorite but there's also Morphon CSS-Editor.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't you use vim? >^..^<
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GVim is great.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of CSS, what spec (out of the four) does everyone prefer to use? Also, do all major browsers that support CSS support all four (IE, Netscape, Mozilla, Firebird, Konq, etc.)?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer to use the standards set up by the W3C, and nothing else. If you have an old style browser (<5) then you will need to update, but that might still be a good idea, even if you don't mind the horrible messed up sites in those old browsers. Anyone can get mozillafirebird, so no reason not to upgrade, even if it's IE 6.0. I refuse to work with the nightmare that is spacer cells and table layout, i'm really starting to like xhtml strict and css location stuff.

My main gripe is that IE 6.0 still doesn't support transparant png, and all IE developers should be shot on site for making the webpage developers still use .gif for `transparant' images. IE 6.0 renders most standards complient sites correctly, although it will sometimes mess up spacing. Everyone should be forced to use MozillaFirebird :).

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

searcher wrote:
My main gripe is that IE 6.0 still doesn't support transparant png, and all IE developers should be shot on site for making the webpage developers still use .gif for `transparant' images. IE 6.0 renders most standards complient sites correctly, although it will sometimes mess up spacing. Everyone should be forced to use MozillaFirebird :).


RIght on. I don't do web design for a living, and I'm glad for that. As long as I only do it as a hobby, I can get away with designing for real browsers, and telling those who cling to IE to piss off.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep it is always fun to tell those who praise IE then call everything else shit, nutscrape, etc to bugger off. Try pulling that stint when you make a living coding websites :/
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

searcher wrote:
I prefer to use the standards set up by the W3C, and nothing else.


I think you misunderstood. What I was asking is, out of the four W3C standards.... And I totally agree with you on the IE/PNG issue. Micorsoft has all this money and they can't add proper png support. Yet people working for free and as a hobby have no problem with it. Bunch of incompetent and stupid developers must work Microsoft. But then again, whats new? ;)
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaska wrote:
Yep it is always fun to tell those who praise IE then call everything else shit, nutscrape, etc to bugger off. Try pulling that stint when you make a living coding websites :/


Hey, man, I know better. If I'm taking some guy's money, I do what he pays me to do. Either that, or I tell quote Johnny Paycheck* and start reading the want ads.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think you misunderstood. What I was asking is, out of the four W3C standards....


Web design is just a hobby to me but I think it's best to use CSS1 as much as possible and CSS2 only when it's necessary. Mozilla (Firebird), Konqueror, and Opera support CSS2 *much better* than IE. I never used Safari but I read it's very good too. But Mozilla is still the best AFAIK.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mozilla Firebird has an extention that lets you edit any page's css and see it updated in real-time in a sidebar. I don't think there's anything that can beat that. Go Mozilla!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

searcher wrote:
My main gripe is that IE 6.0 still doesn't support transparant png


Actually it can do. It's just really gay about it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not understand...when I still used IE, it dealt with pngs just fine. It couldn't do mngs, though.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lews_Therin wrote:
I do not understand...when I still used IE, it dealt with pngs just fine. It couldn't do mngs, though.

PNGs are meant to have a full alpha channel, but IE can't cope. The reason that this is bad is that it means all images (that aren't square) need to have anti-aliasing included in the image for the specific background.

As charlieg notes, there are workarounds, they're just really horrible.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

on the topic of editors, I like to use quanta. It was an easy move for me coming off of dreamweaver/homesite. the new quanta-3.2-rc1 is really nice.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

charlieg wrote:
searcher wrote:
My main gripe is that IE 6.0 still doesn't support transparant png


Actually it can do. It's just really gay about it.


I just read that and it seems that Microsoft just added a piss poor non-standard compliant hack. This means that IE does not support transparent PNG because you have to add a non-compliant hack to your webpage which might break other browsers. What a piss poor company! Or am I missing something?
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