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riis
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| Too bad. I'm tired of seeing some of the valued members of this forum leave. And it only sucks more when you know it's because of a couple of jerks. Again no names, but I'm sure everyone knows a few. I think you should stay ebrostig, and all of the moderators should talk about envoking there "powers" more often...... |
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kitano
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That's all, erik? Because of morons and jerks trolling around in your forums? I don't believe you, there got to be more. You knew from the very start that there'd be bad mooded pesters / no-sayers / oppportunitists / bastards ...
If not, what kind of blue-eyed have you been?
To be honest, i always thought about you very splitted. Liked you as mod, but couldn't always agree with the position you took.
Anyway, and whatever reasons you may have aside the morons, very sad to see you go.
hope to meet you again in some better place,
kitano
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| I wouldn't want to be in chage of babysitting certain people on these forums either. Off the Wall has gone to far down the hill. |
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zenlunatic
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Thank you Gentoo! |
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| ebrostig wrote: | Thank you Gentoo for all you gave.
As a distro of Linux, Gentoo is unsurpassed, however, some (a lot) of the people in these forums are sick morons that I have no interest in dealing with anymore.
I'm withdrawing from the forums and I'm informing the site admins and the rest of the moderators that I can not longer continue as a moderator of a forum that contains so many sick and stupid morons as this forum has gotten lately.
Erik |
/me runs flailing hands....
"Wait for me!"
I'll help you liberate Sudan dude. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: Thank you Gentoo! |
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| zenlunatic wrote: | | ebrostig wrote: | Thank you Gentoo for all you gave.
As a distro of Linux, Gentoo is unsurpassed, however, some (a lot) of the people in these forums are sick morons that I have no interest in dealing with anymore.
I'm withdrawing from the forums and I'm informing the site admins and the rest of the moderators that I can not longer continue as a moderator of a forum that contains so many sick and stupid morons as this forum has gotten lately.
Erik |
/me runs flailing hands....
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I'll help you liberate Sudan dude. |
why cant you just stopit and leave the forums?
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Mystilleef
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So why are you leaving? You seemed like a cool and pragmatic fellow. Who pissed you off? We live in a world full of unfairness, sick people, injustice and things that just defy common sense. Should we now commit suicide because of this?
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| Two. good luck. |
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It saddens my heart to see that nobody or almost nobody have the heart nor the guts to stand up and say that flogging a 16 year old girl is wrong. Instead I have only seen supporters of flogging as punishment and they have been loud.
If you think that flogging of a 16 year old girl is wrong, then why don't you say so?
If you think these extreme morons are wrong, then why don't you stand up and say so?
If you think Gentoo would be better off without these people, why don't you say so?
But if you feel that these people represents what is right, morally ok, and in line with whatever religion you have, then I feel sorry for you.
So far I haven't seen any big outcry against these extremists, rather patting them on the back and saying "Go on! You are great"
And can you (virutally) look me straight in the eyes and tell me that you suppport beating the shit out of a young innocent child? What if that girl had been your daugther? Would it have been OK then?
I might hang around from time to time, but my efforts in the community is over and done with. As long as the majority here supports and accepts these people and let them be the voice to overpower the rest, then I have nothing but contempt for you.
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| ebrostig wrote: | | If you think that flogging of a 16 year old girl is wrong, then why don't you say so? |
Because it is superfluous. Anyone in their right mind would find that wrong.
| Quote: | | If you think these extreme morons are wrong, then why don't you stand up and say so? |
"Arguing on the internet...". You said it yourself - they are morons and as such they are worth neither my time nor my attention.
| Quote: | | If you think Gentoo would be better off without these people, why don't you say so? |
Why should I feed a troll?
| Quote: | | So far I haven't seen any big outcry against these extremists, rather patting them on the back and saying "Go on! You are great" |
Idiots tend to need comfort and support.
| Quote: | | I might hang around from time to time, but my efforts in the community is over and done with. As long as the majority here supports and accepts these people and let them be the voice to overpower the rest, then I have nothing but contempt for you. |
Contempt away. One thing my years at fark.com have taught me is that arguing with trolls and losers such as Zenlunatic is pointless, especielly on the Internet. Everytime you do that, you give them the attention they so crave. Withhold the attention, and they will go away.
Not that you, Ebrostig, are very much better. I think this whole thread is a disgraceful attempt at troll-like attention whoring. And that by a moderator! For shame. |
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| ebrostig wrote: | | If you think that flogging of a 16 year old girl is wrong, then why don't you say so? |
Frankly, because I knew the thread would end up as it did, with a lot of mudslinging and opinions extreme in such a degree that I would surely lose my temper, something I dislike greatly.
Anyway Erik, sad to see you go, I know I have almost never debated with you, but I still think you were one of the few people on these boards that really raised the quality of discussions.
Sad to see you leave.
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Mystilleef
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| ebrostig wrote: | It saddens my heart to see that nobody or almost nobody have the heart nor the guts to stand up and say that flogging a 16 year old girl is wrong. Instead I have only seen supporters of flogging as punishment and they have been loud.
If you think that flogging of a 16 year old girl is wrong, then why don't you say so?
If you think these extreme morons are wrong, then why don't you stand up and say so?
If you think Gentoo would be better off without these people, why don't you say so?
But if you feel that these people represents what is right, morally ok, and in line with whatever religion you have, then I feel sorry for you.
So far I haven't seen any big outcry against these extremists, rather patting them on the back and saying "Go on! You are great"
And can you (virutally) look me straight in the eyes and tell me that you suppport beating the shit out of a young innocent child? What if that girl had been your daugther? Would it have been OK then?
I might hang around from time to time, but my efforts in the community is over and done with. As long as the majority here supports and accepts these people and let them be the voice to overpower the rest, then I have nothing but contempt for you.
Erik |
ebrostig, I happen to understand the culture and religion of the Sudanese, having lived closed to that area in the past and also being a Muslim.
While flogging a 16 year old female might seem barbaric and repugnant to you, there is actually some wisdom behind such actions. In Islam, committing fornication is punishable by flogging. Committing adultery is punishable by death. In fact, death by stoning. Yes, I feel your disgust, but let me explain such harsh actions.
The backbone of the society rests on the family. In Islam a corrupt, socially and morally dysfunctional family is equivalent to a to catastrophic or doomed society that breeds anarchy.
The publicity and degree of punitiveness serves one single purpose, determent. When other young chaste men and women see the fate of this young lady, they will be deterred from committing acts considered as vices in that part of the world.
In the Islamic culture, the punitive measure for social vices such as Fornication, public nudity, adultery, prostitution, theft, alcoholism are an other magnitude harsher than those for economic vices, e.g breach of contract, interest payment, corporate mismanagement etc.
The culture beliefs that a society that is morally upright in the long term will be prosperous and peaceful than one that seeks economic gain at the expense of a morally structured society.
We can even compare statistics.
1) Divorce rates in the US, for example, compared to that in Islamic nations.
2) Fornication rate in the US, as compared to that in the Islamic nations.
3) The number of dysfunctional families in the US compared to that in Islam nations.
4) Safety and Security of humans and their property in the US as compared to that in Islam nations.
5) Social vices in the US as compared that in the Islamic nations.
To mention but a few. I will leave you to research the statistics from as much sources as you can find, but I am positive that results of the statistics will be unfavorable against the US.
As a kid who grew up in a remote part of Africa, I can't count the number of times I was flogged. Be it for stealing, for making noise in the house, for breaking home rules, for disrespecting my older brother, for not doing my assignments, for not cleaning, for fighting I can go on and on. In my culture, their is absolutely nothing wrong in flogging a young kid for being a rascal, like I was, or being unruly or whatever excuse our parents conjured up because they had a bad day at work.
And although in this part of the world (I live in the US now), I would be termed an abused kid, I'm far from it. In fact, I am a disciplined and a better person today thanks to my upbringing. Over my entire childhood up until mid teenage-hood, I probably have received hundreds of strokes of the cane. (I was a naughty and stubborn boy.  ) Did I deserve that? There were sometimes when I felt I had been unjustly punished, but most of the time, yes, I did deserve to be flogged. Why? Well, that's my culture. Is it wrong? Absolutely not.
My upbringing molded me into what I am today. And I have no regrets. When it comes to understanding other peoples culture, there's a lot more to it than what you read on the news or some Internet site or what CNN tells you. There's no right or wrong. While getting naked and flashing your breast all over the streets is not a grave offense in here in the US and other western nations, it might be absolutely forbidden with extremely grave consequences in some other nations. Who is right and who is wrong, then?
I always encourage my American and European friends to travel outside their countries just to see the other side of the world. More often than not, people have the horrible assumption that their culture is the best or the most upright and that every other nation should follow their way of life.
But in reality no culture is perfect and what might seem as absolutely unacceptable to you, is the norm somewhere around the world. Respect other peoples culture and learn what you can from it, but by no means say other peoples practices are wrong, even when you are offended by them.
Lastly, loosing your temper over this is just uncalled for. I've seen greater injust than you'll ever imagine. I've lived in areas where jungle justice is the other of the day. Friend, you have accomplished nothing in my opinion by leaving these forums. The lady will have flogged or is still going to be. Half the people who spewed crap in that thread will continue with their lives and probably forget they ever discussed the issue a week from now. etc. Life goes on and it is a bitch indeed.
Just let it go.
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Flogging a 16 year old girl is wrong! (seriously, in all seriousness take this post in complete seriousness)
But what power do we have to stop it worldwide?
The reality is, to us what is unjust, to others is just. Let it go and focus your passions on something you CAN accomplish. |
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EDIT: Moved over to the other thread.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: Thank you Gentoo! |
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| ebrostig wrote: | Thank you Gentoo for all you gave.
As a distro of Linux, Gentoo is unsurpassed, however, some (a lot) of the people in these forums are sick morons that I have no interest in dealing with anymore.
I'm withdrawing from the forums and I'm informing the site admins and the rest of the moderators that I can not longer continue as a moderator of a forum that contains so many sick and stupid morons as this forum has gotten lately.
Erik |
Bro dont leave  I mean I dont know you much and I am new linux/gentoo/this great forum if you leave because of these Morons who have no brain what so ever, if you leave soon we will have more great people like you who care about linux (gentoo) will leave and do the same, if that happens what will people like my self do? we have no one to Guide us and howto do things 
Please dont leave. |
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| ebrostig wrote: | It saddens my heart to see that nobody or almost nobody have the heart nor the guts to stand up and say that flogging a 16 year old girl is wrong. Instead I have only seen supporters of flogging as punishment and they have been loud.
If you think that flogging of a 16 year old girl is wrong, then why don't you say so?
If you think these extreme morons are wrong, then why don't you stand up and say so?
If you think Gentoo would be better off without these people, why don't you say so?
But if you feel that these people represents what is right, morally ok, and in line with whatever religion you have, then I feel sorry for you.
So far I haven't seen any big outcry against these extremists, rather patting them on the back and saying "Go on! You are great"
And can you (virutally) look me straight in the eyes and tell me that you suppport beating the shit out of a young innocent child? What if that girl had been your daugther? Would it have been OK then?
I might hang around from time to time, but my efforts in the community is over and done with. As long as the majority here supports and accepts these people and let them be the voice to overpower the rest, then I have nothing but contempt for you.
Erik |
Bro I understand what you are saying, but you have to understand the moral behind this. I never said it is wrong, but it is for a reason why they did that! If there wasnt enough proof of that that 16 year old did then that would be wrong, but they had to have enough doc's to prove what that girl might have done and so on. But just because of 1 topic you cant allow your self to leave and keep newbies like me just standing in the middle of no where with out a clue of how things work. |
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| Hrm, ebrostig's doing a lovechild? Strange, he didn't strike me as the spoilt attention-seeking type. |
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Please try to keep the flogging discussion in the other thread, there's no need to end up with two threads of arguing. Leave this one for those who would like to thank Erik for all of the contributions to this forum, and to wish him the best, and hope for his return. Who else are we going to get all of those twisted code snippets, top games and forkbombs from?
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| ebrostig wrote: | | It saddens my heart to see that nobody or almost nobody have the heart nor the guts to stand up and say that flogging a 16 year old girl is wrong. Instead I have only seen supporters of flogging as punishment and they have been loud. |
I think it's wrong, but I try refrain from threads that seem to have devolved into a pit of lameness.
Just because people don't post in a thread doesn't mean they support something. |
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I dunno, I hated that thread too, kinda shatters my personal picture of humanity when I see what people accept in the name of religion today. But then again, so do the news every time I watch the TV.
Comfort? Well at least I am trying to do what I believe is right, which is ironically, the same thing they do. |
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Worse shit happens every day. Does everyone have to come out and say that it's bad before it is bad? Seriously, what the hell do you expect to happen when you post stuff like that on a forum for a Linux distribution.
Anyways, I can appreciate your being tired of the political fodder on the forums, but you can't deny that you are one of the causes of it. If you don't want any opinions besides your own, then don't ask people for theirs!
Crying about it later just makes you look silly and desparate for attention.
Sayonara.
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| paranode wrote: | Worse shit happens every day. Does everyone have to come out and say that it's bad before it is bad? Seriously, what the hell do you expect to happen when you post stuff like that on a forum for a Linux distribution.
Anyways, I can appreciate your being tired of the political fodder on the forums, but you can't deny that you are one of the causes of it. If you don't want any opinions besides your own, then don't ask people for theirs! |
I agree 100%
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| ebrostig wrote: | It saddens my heart to see that nobody or almost nobody have the heart nor the guts to stand up and say that flogging a 16 year old girl is wrong. Instead I have only seen supporters of flogging as punishment and they have been loud.
If you think that flogging of a 16 year old girl is wrong, then why don't you say so?
If you think these extreme morons are wrong, then why don't you stand up and say so?
If you think Gentoo would be better off without these people, why don't you say so?
But if you feel that these people represents what is right, morally ok, and in line with whatever religion you have, then I feel sorry for you.
So far I haven't seen any big outcry against these extremists, rather patting them on the back and saying "Go on! You are great"
And can you (virutally) look me straight in the eyes and tell me that you suppport beating the shit out of a young innocent child? What if that girl had been your daugther? Would it have been OK then?
I might hang around from time to time, but my efforts in the community is over and done with. As long as the majority here supports and accepts these people and let them be the voice to overpower the rest, then I have nothing but contempt for you.
Erik |
I detest the whole flogging thing.
But I didn't get involved with that thread for the same reason I don't get involved with the religion and politics threads, I don't have time to waste on morons.
I'm sorry to see those morons driving you away.
Though I've disagreed with you, I agree these forums will be a sadder place without you.
I agree that OTW has gone far down hill from the place where Gentoo users could relax and talk, so:
I officially resign from participation in all threads not directly related to Gentoo
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| Well, best of luck in the future...hope you still use gentoo. |
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| ebrostig wrote: | It saddens my heart to see that nobody or almost nobody have the heart nor the guts to stand up and say that flogging a 16 year old girl is wrong. Instead I have only seen supporters of flogging as punishment and they have been loud.
If you think that flogging of a 16 year old girl is wrong, then why don't you say so?
If you think these extreme morons are wrong, then why don't you stand up and say so?
If you think Gentoo would be better off without these people, why don't you say so?
But if you feel that these people represents what is right, morally ok, and in line with whatever religion you have, then I feel sorry for you.
So far I haven't seen any big outcry against these extremists, rather patting them on the back and saying "Go on! You are great"
And can you (virutally) look me straight in the eyes and tell me that you suppport beating the shit out of a young innocent child? What if that girl had been your daugther? Would it have been OK then?
I might hang around from time to time, but my efforts in the community is over and done with. As long as the majority here supports and accepts these people and let them be the voice to overpower the rest, then I have nothing but contempt for you.
Erik |
I would say you shouldn't put off all religions as crazed lunatics. You seem to stereotype them all that way.
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