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7org5
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 Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 2:29 pm Post subject: LiveGUI USB Image |
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Hi guys,
Have the "LiveGUI USB Image" in VirtualBox, but getting it installed still takes some time and got stuck on an error.
Is this just the way it is, or there is a faster, more straightforward way, like it is for all other linux distros i've installed on VirtualBox so far (except Arch where the KDE Desktop won't load)?
I want to get gentoo installed for some tests and to get a feel of what building apps from source and the time requirements are; before i consider making it my daily driver.
I use ubuntu currently.
Used this art as ref: https://linuxhint.com/install-gentoo-virtualbox/ |
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alamahant
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Welcome to Gentoo!
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Have the "LiveGUI USB Image" in VirtualBox, but getting it installed still takes some time and got stuck on an error.
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You can use ANY kind of live iso you want.Not only Gentoo.
What kind of error?
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figueroa
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I'll double down on that. Using the Gentoo LiveGUI USB image is one of the worst tools to start with. You can install from another installed Linux, or the Live USB from some other Live USB you may already be familiar with.
And, start with the handbook: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Main_Page
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flysideways
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There is little to nothing to gain using anything other than the minimal install iso while doing a virtualbox install. If you are creating a vm in virtualbox, you have a running system to use to browse the manual while doing the install.
If you were installing on bare metal, there might be an advantage to using a live usb system, if that was the only computer you had access to.
If you are doing a bare metal install and have another computer available on the network, just boot the install with the minimal iso and ssh in from the other computer.
Another thought regarding guides found on the internet, lately, I've noticed a bunch of sites that purport to be install guides for various software, but are just click bait that do not have complete instructions to install and configure the software to the point of it working. Google and DuckDuckGo worry about the veracity of opinions but not of hard verifiable knowledge.
If your interest is Gentoo, the Gentoo Wiki, and this forum will get you through most anything. |
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7org5
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:01 am Post subject: |
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Thanks guys,
I feel welcome already!
I admit that the possible move to Gentoo is a big step for me and one i am proud of. Finally an opportunity to learn the guts of Linux before i do some LFS with spare time.
I have a few distros installed. My issue is getting gentoo installed for tests.
Do i really need to go through all of this?
https://linuxhint.com/install-gentoo-virtualbox/
Isn't there a faster way?
My aim is to just test it before figuring out if i could make it my daily driver.
My biggest obstacle with Gentoo is the amount of time needed to make it fully functional for all my needs. Because full control wise, (Gentoo is the best)! |
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7org5
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| figueroa wrote: | I'll double down on that. Using the Gentoo LiveGUI USB image is one of the worst tools to start with. You can install from another installed Linux, or the Live USB from some other Live USB you may already be familiar with.
And, start with the handbook: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Main_Page |
Got a little confused 
What exactly you mean? |
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figueroa
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 2:27 am Post subject: |
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| 7org5 wrote: | | figueroa wrote: | I'll double down on that. Using the Gentoo LiveGUI USB image is one of the worst tools to start with. You can install from another installed Linux, or the Live USB from some other Live USB you may already be familiar with.
And, start with the handbook: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Main_Page |
Got a little confused
What exactly you mean? |
Assuming you understand "handbook" and the link, boot with some other popular Live USB with which to start installing Gentoo: MX-Linux, Mint, Ubuntu, whatever rocks your boat. There is nothing special about the Gentoo Live USB, and several reasons to avoid it.
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7org5
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| figueroa wrote: |
Assuming you understand "handbook" and the link, boot with some other popular Live USB with which to start installing Gentoo: MX-Linux, Mint, Ubuntu, whatever rocks your boat. There is nothing special about the Gentoo Live USB, and several reasons to avoid it. |
Got it! I will get gentoo installed in kubuntu under virtualbox.
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7org5,
The Gentoo install media all give you /mnt/gentoo for free.
You will need to create that to get started with other boot media,
Gentoo is LFS with a package manager. Once you get to grips with Gentoo, its unlikely you will want to go without the package manager.
Gentoo is not a distro. Its a toolkit you use to design and install your own distro.
Following the handbook teaches you a little about how the tools work.
Gentoo install time is in two parts. Your time and CPU time.
Gentoo does not take any more of your time to install than a binary distro. It does take much more CPU time though.
There is no need to watch the compiler output scroll by, so CPU time need not be your time.
The elapsed time for a gentoo install is more that that for a binary distro but you don't need to do it all in one go.
Its possible to stop and came back to where you left it later.
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7org5
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| NeddySeagoon wrote: | 7org5,
The Gentoo install media all give you /mnt/gentoo for free.
You will need to create that to get started with other boot media,
Gentoo is LFS with a package manager. Once you get to grips with Gentoo, its unlikely you will want to go without the package manager.
Gentoo is not a distro. Its a toolkit you use to design and install your own distro.
Following the handbook teaches you a little about how the tools work.
Gentoo install time is in two parts. Your time and CPU time.
Gentoo does not take any more of your time to install than a binary distro. It does take much more CPU time though.
There is no need to watch the compiler output scroll by, so CPU time need not be your time.
The elapsed time for a gentoo install is more that that for a binary distro but you don't need to do it all in one go.
Its possible to stop and came back to where you left it later. |
@NeddySeagoon,
Thanks a lot for chiming in!
Is the package manager private and secure by default?
Also in terms of privacy and security are there differences between using Gentoo or another LFS method?
I understood now Gentoo is like Genode. Tools to build own distro.
That's super cool.
Initially i was looking for a way to get gentoo quickly installed and running in virtualbox.
But as you pointed out, the gentoo toolset is a different beast. |
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NeddySeagoon
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7org5,
What do you mean by private and secure?
The code is open source, it runs as its own user as far as possible, it has to be root for some phases.
It builds things in a sandbox to try to protect against broken build system doing bad things.
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7org5
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| NeddySeagoon wrote: | 7org5,
What do you mean by private and secure?
The code is open source, it runs as its own user as far as possible, it has to be root for some phases.
It builds things in a sandbox to try to protect against broken build system doing bad things. |
I have a lot of knowledge to soak in before i get to understand Gentoo, Portage etc, and before i do useful things with it.
I seek to make a private and secure OS that i can use for sensitive work tasks, banking etc.
The move for me is also to become better with IT in general. It will be an excellent learning curve. |
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| figueroa wrote: | | and several reasons to avoid it. |
As I've been using it recenrly for such a purpose,
could you elaborate your pov please?
Thks 4 ur attention, interest & support.
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figueroa
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| CaptainBlood wrote: | | figueroa wrote: | | and several reasons to avoid it. |
As I've been using it recenrly for such a purpose,
could you elaborate your pov please? |
For the Live-GUI, size, memory use, bugs, unusual choices by developer(s). I see it mainly as a curious demo project. Admittedly, I haven't tried it in about six months. These observations don't apply to the Minimal Install CD, but most users would be better off working within a more familiar desktop GUI from some of the better distributions' live DVD/USB. The ones I listed are all well behaved and very usable for the purpose of installing Gentoo.
If I was doing one on bare metal, I would use the MX-Linux XFCE image, not because it's better than the other distros, but I'm very familiar with it.
Where possible, my choice for a new bare metal installation would be to do the project from another computer (i.e. my main Gentoo desktop), boot the new bare metal with my favorite live-USB, access it with SSH, and mount the intended installation partition(s) with NFS. This way I can still sit in my favorite chair while installing Gentoo on another computer which may be in another room, or behind me on a workbench.
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Oleksa75
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| Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 12:25 pm Post subject: LiveGUI USB Images from of.site - how to install it locally? |
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Hello there!
Please, I need a bit of help.
As you know, we have on official site regularly released Gentoo images as "LiveGUI USB Images" (with KDE presets).
Can someone instruct me, on how to extract (install) this image to my local HDD with ALL the same features as in live GUI?
I've tried to mount it and then copy it with cpio, but stuck with errors due to "livecd" flags or smth and KDE fall in crash.
In short, - how to correctly extract stage 3 from exactly this LiveGUI USB Image?
Thank you for your answer! |
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figueroa
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 1:36 am Post subject: |
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The gentoo-live-gui is neither required or used during a Gentoo installation. Follow the instructions in the handbook.
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