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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2002 12:49 am    Post subject: Oversized Avatars Reply with quote

I've been noticing a trend lately of people using avatars that are bigger than the maximum specified 80x80. Nobody is greatly abusing them by putting in huge ones, but people putting in ones that are bigger than they should be.

I think people should be aware of the reasons that there are size limits. There are two major reasons I can think of:

    1) Some people are on dial-up, so the larger size strains their connections unnecessarily.
    2) By standardizing the size of the avatars, the boards formatting works to give a clean, polished, and undistorted view of posts.

(please indicate any additional reasons that I may have missed, and which may be bothersome to you :))

For me personally the first issue isn't a problem, but the second one tends to bother me. The 80x80 limit already sometimes makes posts longer than they need to be because the personal information section on the left is longer than the actual post. However, with the standard size we can at least be guaranteed that short posts will not be stretched too largely . However, if somebody uses an avatar that is longer than 80 pixels, they stretch those posts even farther, making it more difficult to read the forums.

Maybe I'm just anal or something, but it would be nice if the rule could be enforced (or maybe just made a little more clear) so it won't happen as much.

Anyway, just thought I would bring it to your attention.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2002 3:23 am    Post subject: Re: Oversized Avatars Reply with quote

echeslack wrote:
Maybe I'm just anal or something, but it would be nice if the rule could be enforced (or maybe just made a little more clear) so it won't happen as much.


Well, it's enforced as much as phpBB likes to enforce it. People with oversized avatars get yelled at as soon as a moderator notices, FYI. :D
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2002 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, thats fine, I just wanted to make people aware of it too. Also, this is the best I could do, as I don't feel it would be appropriate for me to yell at them myself... but there isn't always a mod around... ah well, whatever, I can deal :)

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2002 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

phpBB limits locally stored avatars to 80x80. Avatars stored remotely, however, are not subject to the same limitations.

That said, we do try to loosely enforce the 80x80 limit on remote avatars as well. What does "loosely" mean? It means I'm not going to ream someone who has an 81x81 remote avatar, but I will politely ask someone with a 200x200 avatar to trim it down.

If you notice an avatar that seems egregiously large, please PM myself or one of the other moderators about it. If it's offensive, please PM myself or Nitro and we'll go in and delete it. (assuming we agree on what constitutes "offensive" :))

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

m-w.com wrote:
One entry found for egregious.


Main Entry: egre·gious
Pronunciation: i-'grE-j&s
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin egregius, from e- + greg-, grex herd -- more at GREGARIOUS
Date: circa 1534
1 archaic : DISTINGUISHED
2 : CONSPICUOUS; especially : conspicuously bad : FLAGRANT <an egregious mistake>
- egre·gious·ly adverb
- egre·gious·ness noun

For those of you who want to know what he's talking about... ;)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

for those using mozilla, and maybe galeon, here's how to make avatars not larger than... well, whatever you want :)

Code:

.postdetails img
{
  max-width: 50px;
}


of course, replace 50px with your value.
put that code in $HOME/.mozilla/profilename/something.slt/chrome/userContent.css

enjoy ! :)
note that this code could be in the phpbb css file too :)

[edit: fixed the typo in ".postdetails" :-]
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tristam29 wrote:
For those of you who want to know what he's talking about... ;)

Oh come on -- it wasn't that bad. What the hell do they teach you kids in school these days. :)

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dioxmat wrote:
note that this code could be in the phpbb css file too :)

How does this differentiate an avatar image from any other image? (such as the forums logo image)

If it will only affect avatars, I've got no problem putting it in the .css file.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

klieber wrote:
How does this differentiate an avatar image from any other image? (such as the forums logo image)

I'm guessing here, but if you s/postedetails/postdetails/, it looks like a <span class="postdetails"> surrounds the avatar, but not the site logo (see templates/subSilver/viewtopic_body.tpl). This may be a subSilver-specific kludge, and there are several more hits in templates/subSilver for postdetails, so I can't say for sure that it would not have unintended consequences.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah.
the fact is, phpbb should include a class or id or I dont know what to differenciate avatars from the rest. they do not. so, to be 100% this wont have any side effect, the template should be modified to add this information, and my css should reflect this changes...
I can try to see where the avatars are defined in the phpbb subsilver template if you want.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's something that is simple to add to the .css file, I'm all for it.

But, I really don't see oversized avatars as a Big Problem so I don't think anyone should put a whole lot of effort into fixing it. :)

If someone's got some mad php skills and is burning for a chance to help out on the forums, send me a PM. We've got plenty of projects for you. :)

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, so thanks to dioxmat's help and patches, those of you who are particularly offended by oversized avatars and use a CSS-compliant browser (such as Mozilla 1.0 and, I presume, Galeon) will now be greatly relieved to learn that we have implemented facist avatar control policies in the forum style sheet. Thou shalt not have an avatar greater than 80x80! :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DOH! And I just got through gimping mine down to regulation size.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

klieber wrote:
OK, so thanks to dioxmat's help and patches, those of you who are particularly offended by oversized avatars and use a CSS-compliant browser (such as Mozilla 1.0 and, I presume, Galeon) will now be greatly relieved to learn that we have implemented facist avatar control policies in the forum style sheet. Thou shalt not have an avatar greater than 80x80! :lol:

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Does this mean that size doesn't matter? ;)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tristam29 wrote:
Does this mean that size doesn't matter? ;)
On the contrary. Smaller is better ;)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

phong wrote:
DOH! And I just got through gimping mine down to regulation size.

Oh well! I'm sure The GIMP does a nicer job of downsampling it than the browsers, with the added advantage that the actual file should be smaller now too!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see that the code posted above solves the problem

Code:

postdetails img
{
  max-width: 50px; }


This just changes a browser display. The size of the avatar file, and hence the download bandwith, will not change.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

slais-sysweb wrote:
This just changes a browser display. The size of the avatar file, and hence the download bandwith, will not change.

Correct, but it does keep larger avatars from screwing up the formatting on the forums...

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see several options. We could:
  • Disable remote avatars. People with them get screwed, oh well.
  • Give users an option to disable avatars. Would (AFAIK) require a hack to phpBB, which klieber isn't wild about.
  • Disable avatars site-wide. This is unwarrented, unnecessary, and would make a lot of users unhappy, but nevertheless it is an option. (Well, if klieber and Nitro like getting bricks through their windows, that is. ;))

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

delta407 wrote:
[*] Give users an option to disable avatars. Would (AFAIK) require a hack to phpBB, which klieber isn't wild about.

I think it would be possible to accomplish this without munging on phpBB itself by finding/making a theme that does not display avatars. Users who want this could select this theme in their profile.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rac wrote:
I think it would be possible to accomplish this without munging on phpBB itself by finding/making a theme that does not display avatars. Users who want this could select this theme in their profile.

That's actually not a bad idea. Not sure if one already exists -- have to assume it does.

If someone knows of such a theme, or wants to create one, please send me a PM.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

delta407 wrote:
  • Give users an option to disable avatars. Would (AFAIK) require a hack to phpBB, which klieber isn't wild about.

Actually, if someone wanted to create the hack and submit it to phpBB for inclusion in the next version, I'd be much more inclined to support it. The only reason I don't like hacks is it makes upgrading a PITA.

That said, I like the Lite theme idea that rac suggested better....

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

klieber wrote:
rac wrote:
I think it would be possible to accomplish this without munging on phpBB itself by finding/making a theme that does not display avatars. Users who want this could select this theme in their profile.

That's actually not a bad idea. Not sure if one already exists -- have to assume it does.


this is quite easy to do.
btw, again for people using mozilla, now that we have an avatar class,
you can do :
Code:

img.avatar
{
  display: none !important;
}


that will completly disable the avatars, they should not be downloaded by mozilla. not 100% sure though. also should work
in other browsers if you find out how to make a user stylesheet :)

Quote:

If someone knows of such a theme, or wants to create one, please send me a PM.


this is really easy. im on it, should be ready by monday :)
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