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 Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:40 pm Post subject: LXDE Scheduled for Removal |
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In case readers miss it as part of a routine emerge output, the following showed up this morning:
| Code: | !!! The following installed packages are masked:
- lxde-base/lxappearance-0.6.3-r1::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)
/usr/portage/profiles/package.mask:
# Andreas Sturmlechner <asturm@gentoo.org> (2021-03-15)
# Unmaintained for >1 year, blocking cleanup of deprecated libraries.
# Succeeded by LXQt many years ago (see also: lxqt-base/lxqt-meta).
# Removal on 2021-04-14 or replacement by GTK3-based versions available
# in ~arch. No more stabilisation is going to happen without the packages
# getting a new maintainer. Bugs #708188, #751076, #769524
- lxde-base/lxde-common-0.99.1::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)
- lxde-base/lxterminal-0.3.2::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)
- lxde-base/lxtask-0.1.9::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)
- lxde-base/lxpanel-0.10.0-r1::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)
- lxde-base/lxinput-0.3.5-r1::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)
- x11-misc/pcmanfm-1.3.1::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)
- lxde-base/lxrandr-0.3.2::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)
- lxde-base/lxde-icon-theme-0.5.1::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)
- lxde-base/lxsession-0.5.4-r1::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)
- lxde-base/lxde-meta-0.5.5-r6::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)
For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge
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I do hope that someone who is able will pick the LXDE packages as maintainer. LXDE is not only excellent, it's nor really dead; it's development upstream is as active as necessary. LXDE components are also part of many OpenBox users' daily desktop, notably PCManFM, LXTerminal and the LXDE panel (lxpanel).
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| You can unmask GTK3 based ~arch versions for each of these packages via package.accept_keywords. |
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That worked, at least everything runs in both LXDE and in OpenBox. Appearance changes aren't really a plus but doesn't seem broken.
I'm going to have to figure out (again) how to reset bash colors in lxterminal. Directories are dark blue against black, which is no good. Sakura colors look fine. I've done this before.
Can't really see the desktop pager individual minature desktops in the panel. No frames, and settings don't come up when I right click on that. Then again, I'm in OpenBox right now so I'll have to switch back to LXDE to see what.
Here is what I put in my /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords:
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# Andreas Sturmlechner <asturm@gentoo.org> (2021-03-15)
# Unmaintained for >1 year, blocking cleanup of deprecated libraries.
# Succeeded by LXQt many years ago (see also: lxqt-base/lxqt-meta).
# Removal on 2021-04-14 or replacement by GTK3-based versions available
# in ~arch. No more stabilisation is going to happen without the packages
# getting a new maintainer. Bugs #708188, #751076, #769524
=lxde-base/lxde-meta-0.5.5-r7
=lxde-base/lxappearance-0.6.3-r2
=lxde-base/lxde-common-0.99.2-r1
=lxde-base/lxde-icon-theme-0.5.1-r1
=lxde-base/lxinput-0.3.5-r2
#=lxde-base/lxpanel-0.10.1.ebuild (add to local repo as -r5 for weather)
=lxde-base/lxpanel-0.10.1-r5
=lxde-base/lxrandr-0.3.2-r1
=lxde-base/lxsession-0.5.5
=lxde-base/lxtask-0.1.10
=lxde-base/lxterminal-0.4.0
#lxde-base/menu-cache-1.1.0-r1.ebuild (1.1.0 still stable but r1 in meta)
=lxde-base/menu-cache-1.1.0-r1
=x11-libs/libfm-1.3.2
=x11-libs/libfm-extra-1.3.2
=x11-misc/pcmanfm-1.3.2 |
Note added 3/16, 1625: I don't know why the weather plugin has not been included in recent ebuilds for lxpanel. I have been adding it in my personal local repo for over a year, and though it is somewhat limited, it works fine. It can be activated by adding "weather" to the list of local plugins in the ebuild after "monitors" and consider it a nice touch.
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Just a brief follow up. No difference in full LXDE desktop. Desktop pager settings don't come up. But, by adjusting panel background color and opacity I was able to get the desktop pager areas to be discernible. I'm happy enough with it.
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I don't recommend to use '=category/package' here.
First, ~category/package is often better given ~ accepts new revisions for same version.
Second, the idea here is that it won't be stable anymore (unless a maintainer steps up), so you shouldn't stick to accepting a specific version. Instead may want something like: | Code: | lxde-base/*
x11-libs/libfm
x11-libs/libfm-extra
x11-misc/pcmanfm |
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| Ionen wrote: | I don't recommend to use '=category/package' here.
First, ~category/package is often better given ~ accepts new revisions for same version.
Second, the idea here is that it won't be stable anymore (unless a maintainer steps up), so you shouldn't stick to accepting a specific version. Instead may want something like: | Code: | lxde-base/*
x11-libs/libfm
x11-libs/libfm-extra
x11-misc/pcmanfm |
in your package.accept_keywords. |
Thanks for the thoughts. For now, I intend to monitor these closely, which is why I plugged in the specific versions. Installing ~ versions of so many packages is a big step for one (me) who puts a high value on running stable versions of everything.
Added 3/17, 1621 EDT: I did add ~amd64 to each of the packages in package.accept_keywords. Not doing so worked, but was an unintended omission.
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I sufficiently fixed the dark lxterminal colors of directories, by selecting "bold is bright" setting in lxterminal preferences on the Style tab with xterm palette. That gives me the display colors I prefer.
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The volume control in the updated panel doesn't work quite right after updating to ~. Usually one can control the volume by scrolling the mouse wheel while the pointer is over the speaker icon. This no longer works. You can bring up the slider and drag it around, somewhat imperfectly. Bringing up the mixer (alsamixer) works, of course.
This system is alsa only (no pulseaudio). The alsa use flag is being used.
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IMHO it would be a good idea if there was a Gentoo "last-rited" overlay that got all the removed ebuilds for reference by those who, for whatever reason, want to hang onto the past.
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| Goverp wrote: | | IMHO it would be a good idea if there was a Gentoo "last-rited" overlay that got all the removed ebuilds for reference by those who, for whatever reason, want to hang onto the past. |
Currently pulling ::gentoo via git at some certain point in time and creating a overlay (non-syncing) for it is maybe the simplest?
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| Goverp wrote: | | IMHO it would be a good idea if there was a Gentoo "last-rited" overlay that got all the removed ebuilds for reference by those who, for whatever reason, want to hang onto the past. |
The problem is not the ebuilds, those can usually be found. And even though the tarballs are removed from gentoo's distfile server, they can still be found. The problem is the patch tarballs that gentoo puts out (usually has either gentoo and/or patch in the name).
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| Zucca wrote: | | Goverp wrote: | | IMHO it would be a good idea if there was a Gentoo "last-rited" overlay that got all the removed ebuilds for reference by those who, for whatever reason, want to hang onto the past. |
Currently pulling ::gentoo via git at some certain point in time and creating a overlay (non-syncing) for it is maybe the simplest? |
I like the idea, and thanks for leaning forward on this. I was thinking of local overlay for myself since the the ~arch versions are not entirely satisfactory. On the other hand, the older versions apparently depend on deprecated libraries that eventually may be in conflict keeping a clean system.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:14 pm Post subject: XFCE may be the answer... |
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| figueroa wrote: | | On the other hand, the older versions apparently depend on deprecated libraries that eventually may be in conflict keeping a clean system. |
I'd bet that's the biggest problem in the long run.
It's sad to see LXDE go. I have used bits of LXDE in many of my setups along the years.
And situation around Qt doesn't encourage me to use LXQt parts either (let's not go any deeper into that rabbit hole in this topic).
So I currently use Wayfire with XFCE stuff. It works quite okay.
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| figueroa wrote: | | the the ~arch versions are not entirely satisfactory. |
LXDE has been given a lifeline with new version bumps based on GTK3. The best way forward is to check upstream for available fixes to any problems or make them aware of such. Those who are actively using LXDE and are interested in keeping it in shape in Gentoo are best suited for that task. There is no maintainer for it in Gentoo so no one else is going to do it. |
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| figueroa wrote: | The volume control in the updated panel doesn't work quite right after updating to ~. Usually one can control the volume by scrolling the mouse wheel while the pointer is over the speaker icon. This no longer works. You can bring up the slider and drag it around, somewhat imperfectly. Bringing up the mixer (alsamixer) works, of course.
This system is alsa only (no pulseaudio). The alsa use flag is being used. |
Answering my own issue.
I was able to bind Alt+Up and Alt+Down to raise and lower volume. This is with the new ~amd64 lxpanel. I did it by selecting Volume Control Settings in the panel icon, then where it reads Hotkey for Volume UP and pressing Alt and the up-arrow, then similarly for the Hotkey for Volume Down. That setting (and many others) is saved in a textfile ~/.config/lxpanel/default/panels/panel
Although I did install the entire ~amd64 lxde-meta, I'm only using lxpanel, pcmanfm, and lxterminal plus whatever other things they depend on like libfm, menu-cache, lxmenu-data, and I think that's all.
I don't find anything else "broken" so I think I've successfully moved forward.
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| asturm wrote: | | figueroa wrote: | | the the ~arch versions are not entirely satisfactory. |
LXDE has been given a lifeline with new version bumps based on GTK3. The best way forward is to check upstream for available fixes to any problems or make them aware of such. Those who are actively using LXDE and are interested in keeping it in shape in Gentoo are best suited for that task. There is no maintainer for it in Gentoo so no one else is going to do it. |
Our posts cross like ships in the night.
I'm very happy for that lifeline, and I thank you for that. I'm growing used to the different look and feel of the GTK3 versions, I've been using them for about 24 hours now as most important components of my OpenBox "desktop," it's responsive, nothing has crashed and burned, and memory and CPU usage remains OK.
Others who are using LXDE or its components may want to do likewise. It seems safe.
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Hi,
Would you mind sharing your local lxpanel ebuild, please?
Thks 4 ur attention, interest & support.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:12 am Post subject: Re: XFCE may be the answer... |
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| Zucca wrote: | | So I currently use Wayfire with XFCE stuff. It works quite okay. |
Wayfire looks interesting. So you've basically replaced xfwm4 with wayfire and are still using the XFCE panel etc.? If so, what draws the GTK2 window decorations? I'm assuming the xfwm decorations will no longer work in xfwm4's absence, and vaguely recall there being some kind of separate decorations plugin back in the compiz days...emerald, I think it was called. Does wayfire have something like emerald? |
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| psycho wrote: | | So you've basically replaced xfwm4 with wayfire and are still using the XFCE panel etc.? If so, what draws the GTK2 window decorations? |
Not a setup I've tried but xfce4 dropped gtk2 support entirely and 4.16 branch is stable now, so nothing. |
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@psycho: I've thought about it, but no. I haven't replaced xfwm with wayfire. I just use some tools from xfce world. Most commonly Thunar.
I once tried to replace xfwm with sway... It needed way more time with adjustments than what I had patience. :D I think wayfire might suit better as a xfwm replacement than sway (ootb).
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| CaptainBlood wrote: | @figueroa
Hi,
Would you mind sharing your local lxpanel ebuild, please?
Thks 4 ur attention, interest & support. |
As requested; I've named the file ~-r5 since an -r5 is not lilkely to conflict what's provided in the standard repos. The original ebuild is "lxpanel-0.10.1.ebuild" and the only change I made was at the end of line 48, where I added comma+weather (no spaces) to the end of the line inside the double quote as shown below.
It's easy enough to unpack and study the source code for any other plugins or tweaks the user might want to try.
| Code: | # Copyright 1999-2021 Gentoo Authors
# Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
EAPI=7
inherit readme.gentoo-r1 xdg
DESCRIPTION="Lightweight X11 desktop panel for LXDE"
HOMEPAGE="https://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXPanel"
SRC_URI="mirror://sourceforge/lxde/${P}.tar.xz"
LICENSE="GPL-2"
SLOT="0"
KEYWORDS="~alpha ~amd64 ~arm ~arm64 ~ppc ~x86 ~amd64-linux ~x86-linux"
IUSE="+alsa wifi"
RDEPEND="
dev-libs/keybinder:3
lxde-base/lxmenu-data
>=lxde-base/menu-cache-1.1.0-r1
x11-libs/cairo
x11-libs/gdk-pixbuf
x11-libs/gtk+:3
>=x11-libs/libfm-1.3.2[gtk]
x11-libs/libwnck:3
x11-libs/libX11
x11-libs/libXmu
x11-libs/libXpm
alsa? ( media-libs/alsa-lib )
wifi? ( net-wireless/wireless-tools )
"
DEPEND="${RDEPEND}"
BDEPEND="
sys-devel/gettext
virtual/pkgconfig
"
DOC_CONTENTS="If you have problems with broken icons shown in the main panel,
you will have to configure panel settings via its menu.
This will not be an issue with first time installations."
PATCHES=(
# https://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/bugs/773/
"${FILESDIR}/${P}-fix-pager-panel-width.patch"
)
src_configure() {
local plugins="netstatus,volume,cpu,deskno,batt,kbled,xkb,thermal,cpufreq,monitors,weather"
use wifi && plugins+=",netstat"
use alsa && plugins+=",volumealsa"
[[ ${CHOST} == *-interix* ]] && plugins=deskno,kbled,xkb
econf \
$(use_enable alsa) \
--enable-gtk3 \
--with-x \
--with-plugins="${plugins}"
# the gtk+ dep already pulls in libX11, so we might as well hardcode with-x
}
src_install() {
default
find "${ED}" -name '*.la' -delete || die
readme.gentoo_create_doc
}
pkg_postinst() {
readme.gentoo_print_elog
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: XFCE may be the answer... |
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| Ionen wrote: | | psycho wrote: | | So you've basically replaced xfwm4 with wayfire and are still using the XFCE panel etc.? If so, what draws the GTK2 window decorations? |
Not a setup I've tried but xfce4 dropped gtk2 support entirely and 4.16 branch is stable now, so nothing. |
Well, there are still programs around using GTK2, so even though XFCE itself has migrated to GTK3, its window manager (xfwm4) continues to draw decorations on GTK2 applications. Many xfwm4 themes exist that match (more or less) GTK3 themes, and so with QT's ability to match GTK themes too, it's possible to have a reasonably consistent, coherent-looking desktop. Without xfwm4 I guess the GTK2 applications would draw their windows without title bars and borders, unless wayfire has some kind of support for this. I could get used to windows without decorations if I were using a tiling window manager deliberately, but a traditional desktop with the occasional weird undecorated window would suck.
| Zucca wrote: | | I think wayfire might suit better as a xfwm replacement than sway (ootb). |
The last time I tried a tiling window manager was back before the days of GTK3-style client-side decorations...I hadn't thought through how different things could be these days...probably need to experiment again with the current crop of wms.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: XFCE may be the answer... |
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| psycho wrote: | | unless wayfire has some kind of support for this. |
Wayfire has simple decoration support. It won't win any awards, but at least you can change the color of the borders...
Although I haven't updated for a while... Things might have changed.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: LXDE Scheduled for Removal |
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| figueroa wrote: | | I do hope that someone who is able will pick the LXDE packages as maintainer. LXDE is not only excellent, it's nor really dead; it's development upstream is as active as necessary. LXDE components are also part of many OpenBox users' daily desktop, notably PCManFM, LXTerminal and the LXDE panel (lxpanel). |
I asked Hanno Böck, the former maintainer, about it and he pointed me to his announcement on the gentoo-dev list why he stepped back from maintaining LXDE on Gentoo.
Nice to know for us LXDE enthusiasts:
| Quote: | | If anyone is willing to take over I'm happy to give any guidance I can. Likely within the next days I'll remove myself from the lxde project, making it empty. |
Also, maybe some of you can help with this bug: lxde-base/lxpanel and others (lxappearance,lxinput,lxrandr,lxtask) requires x11-libs/gtk+:2 |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: XFCE may be the answer... |
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| Zucca wrote: | | Wayfire has simple decoration support. It won't win any awards, but at least you can change the color of the borders |
LOL...well, I can live with a wm that hasn't won any awards, as long as things work consistently and can be made to fit my workflow. I'll take a look at it. |
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