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Tim77 Apprentice

Joined: 13 May 2003 Posts: 211 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 10:31 am Post subject: konsole startup takes long in xfce |
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Hi,
I switched from KDE to xfce. After some customizing I am really impressed. But there are several minor disadvantages I want to move out of the way. For example: I want to use konsole, because it took me a long time to configure it the way I want. But it takes up very long time to start it. Can anyone tell me why? In kde it did not take to much time. |
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hook Veteran


Joined: 23 Oct 2002 Posts: 1398 Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 10:45 am Post subject: |
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simple answer:
konsole uses QT, kde-libs and (most probably) kde-base ...which KDE also uses - so they get loaded at the KDE startup and thus konsole doesn't need them to start anew.
in the xfce case, kde-libs, kde-base and QT don't get loaded at xfce startup, since it doesn't need/use them. thus when you run konsole, it needs to start all these libs, since no other app needed them and thus didn't start them yet. _________________ tea+free software+law=hook
(deep inside i'm still a tux's little helper) |
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Tim77 Apprentice

Joined: 13 May 2003 Posts: 211 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 11:16 am Post subject: |
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Shame on me. That was easy . Thank you. And this will also be the reason why konsole takes less time to start a 2nd time...
BTW: Is there a good term which can easily be customized and which fits better with xfce? |
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Chewi Developer


Joined: 01 Sep 2003 Posts: 888 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 11:27 am Post subject: |
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I moved to XFce yesterday. I tried aterm but I didn't think much of it. I wanted to try PowerShell but it's been masked for some reason. So I stuck with GNOME Terminal. The GNOME libraries aren't as heavy as the KDE ones so it doesn't take long to start up at all.
And I was really confused about how to set the default terminal. Some people set $TERMCMD in .bash_profile but what if you use more than one shell? I don't actually but I like to do things properly. I don't think this worked for me anyway because it was trying to use GNOME Terminal in the console! I managed to do it by created this ~/.xfce4/xinitrc file.
Code: | #!/bin/sh
export BROWSER='/home/chewi/.xfce4/opera-newpage'
export TERMCMD='gnome-terminal'
sh /etc/xfce4/xinitrc |
The $BROWSER env variable determines what browser is used for Help. For some reason it doesn't have any effect on what browser is used when you right click on the desktop and choose Web Browser. Has this been hard-coded to Mozilla? Oh well. I had to make a tiny opera-newpage script as well because if there are any spaces in the variable, it gets confused. |
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hook Veteran


Joined: 23 Oct 2002 Posts: 1398 Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 11:32 am Post subject: |
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you could try Eterm - note the capital E ...you actually run it with Eterm ...but you emerge eterm (small "e")
or aterm
if you want to use Eterm you'll have to set your background with esetroot ...in other way it won't work ...so portage'll emerge some other Enlightenment/gnome stuff
i don't really remember what aterm uses for its fake-transparency, but i think it uses just the standard setbg which means, there's no need to set the background image by hand
but in any case, i like konsole more then anything else ...it's just the prettiest thing around, let's be fair. ...but still, try Eterm and aterm ...might be what you want - at home i use Eterm in fluxbox ...see the screenies (fluxbox's at the bottom) on my page: http://www.poljane.net/~hook/
...if it doesn't work try http://193.2.144.122/~hook (same page, just IP instead of the DN) _________________ tea+free software+law=hook
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AlyM n00b

Joined: 02 Sep 2003 Posts: 62 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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I'd recommend trying xterm, it's start-up time is almost instant. Unless you need some more fnacy features/eye candy.
EDIT: xterm should already be installed btw (just in case you weren't aware), just type xterm. |
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Chewi Developer


Joined: 01 Sep 2003 Posts: 888 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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I had serious doubts but I just tried Eterm and I love it. Thanks, hook! Looks like I'll be sticking with this.
Oh and I'm not sure what you meant about the transparency thing, it works fine for me. I think the paths for the pixmap backgrounds are messed up somehow but I don't want those anyway. |
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smellycheeseboy Apprentice


Joined: 15 May 2003 Posts: 263 Location: The Future
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 9:18 am Post subject: |
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If you want to use Konsole still you might be able to speed it up using Prelink. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/prelink-howto.xml
Me _________________ "No amount of fear can stop the rise of free media, or free software." --Jonathan Schwartz, Sun Microsystems |
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hook Veteran


Joined: 23 Oct 2002 Posts: 1398 Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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Chewi wrote: | I had serious doubts but I just tried Eterm and I love it. Thanks, hook! Looks like I'll be sticking with this.
Oh and I'm not sure what you meant about the transparency thing, it works fine for me. I think the paths for the pixmap backgrounds are messed up somehow but I don't want those anyway. |
it's always nice to help
the thing is that Eterm needs/uses Esetroot to get the background image to fake transparency, and not xsetroot which is usually the case in WM. (and IceWM uses icewmbg)
another tip would be that if you run a lightweight WM (which i think you do, sin'ce you're asking) - in fluxbox there's the "tabs" option, with which you can dock several windows/apps into one cluster - in fluxbox i used this to run several Eterm in one cluster
prelinking - i was just about to suggest that  _________________ tea+free software+law=hook
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dgtaro Tux's lil' helper


Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 106 Location: Amsterdam
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 4:31 am Post subject: |
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how do i make Nautilus startup at default in XFCE-4? |
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shm Advocate


Joined: 09 Dec 2002 Posts: 2380 Location: Atlanta, Universe
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 5:30 am Post subject: |
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Chewi wrote: | I wanted to try PowerShell but it's been masked for some reason. So I stuck with GNOME Terminal. The GNOME libraries aren't as heavy as the KDE ones so it doesn't take long to start up at all. |
PowerShell hasn't been in development in a very long time. Since GNOME 1.2 days and early 1.4 days AFAIK.
KDE libraries aren't that much heavier than GNOME libraries. They take longer to start because of the slow C++ dynamic linker on Linux (which is also why OpenOffice and Mozilla take more time to start in Linux than Windows). This is fixed with prelink, but prelink won't work with most installations of Qt until 3.3, because of OpenGL issues. _________________ what up |
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