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Would you agree to make a gentoo CD with sources? (Xfree86, KDE, Gnome...) |
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I'm not interested in a sources CD |
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royger n00b
Joined: 09 Aug 2002 Posts: 19 Location: Catalunya
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Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 1:10 pm Post subject: Gentoo Linux 1.4 sources |
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I have a slow conection on my home, a 56 modem and I can't download gentoo sources in the install, so I think it will be very interesting to make a full gentoo CD, with Xfree86, KDE, Gnome and all this. I can download the full CD in a house of a friend or somewhere else, and then install it.
I tryed LiveCd, but it makes a generic install, and i want to install gentoo to make my own linux, with only the packets that i need, so livecd doesn't suit me .
Bye and thank's
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klieber Bodhisattva
Joined: 17 Apr 2002 Posts: 3657 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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moving to gentoo suggestions.
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delta407 Bodhisattva
Joined: 23 Apr 2002 Posts: 2876 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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By install CD I would guess you mean a CD containing the necessary source tarballs -- correct? That could be done by doing a Gentoo install, "emerge -f x kde gnome" (which downloads everything), and burning /usr/portage/distfiles onto a CD along with the isolinux stuff so it's still a bootable CD, but with your new files. Then, on your next install, after you've formatted everything, you can mount the CD and copy the source tarballs into /usr/portage/distfiles. Portage will automatically use them. _________________ I don't believe in witty sigs. |
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Ishamael n00b
Joined: 07 Aug 2002 Posts: 12 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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... but which implies the place where you download the sources must have gentoo running as well. _________________ A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any other human invention in history... with the possible exception of handguns and tequila. |
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klieber Bodhisattva
Joined: 17 Apr 2002 Posts: 3657 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2002 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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Ishamael wrote: | ... but which implies the place where you download the sources must have gentoo running as well. |
You can get a base system up using the stage 3 tarball (or the stage 1 tarball + some patience) and then use something like this script to generate a list of necessary download files, which you can put on a floppy, take over to your friend's house (or wherever) and proceed to burn them to CD.
Remember, Gentoo is primarily oriented towards folks with broadband connections. Even if there was a 1.4 sources CD, you'd still have to download lots and lots of stuff to keep the box maintained (new kernel versions, etc.)
--kurt _________________ The problem with political jokes is that they get elected |
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masseya Bodhisattva
Joined: 17 Apr 2002 Posts: 2602 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2002 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, but it would be easier if you could just install faster and then update one thing at a time over night. The length of an install can be awful long. I'm not saying it's not worthwhile because I think it is. I'm just saying that if there's a big problem with gentoo it's the length of install time. Especially, if your boss says, "I need ten PC's right now for this and such network!" How can you push gentoo other than to say that they will be way easier to maintain after you get them up and running. _________________ if i never try anything, i never learn anything..
if i never take a risk, i stay where i am.. |
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royger n00b
Joined: 09 Aug 2002 Posts: 19 Location: Catalunya
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Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2002 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Thank's to all for your help, i didn't expect such a good reply . Firts i want to say that i'm the only person i know that uses Linux (i know another, but he uses 56 modem so he can't help me).
I can't intall gentoo on my computer, because stages1, 2 or 3 doesn't have ppp support, and i can't make a gateway. Once i will have gentoo installed (with kppp and KDE) i could download the updates if im interested in, i dont know if you understand me, my english is not very good . You may think why i havent a good conection (adsl or something better than a modem), this is because im only 16 and my parents doesnt want to buy me a adsl or something better . So i have to survive with this. I think more people is in my situation, so you could make a cd with all the packages, independent from stage 1, 2 and 3. I think this wil be the best solution.
bye and thank's
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klieber Bodhisattva
Joined: 17 Apr 2002 Posts: 3657 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2002 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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royger wrote: | I can't intall gentoo on my computer |
Yes, you can.
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peschmae n00b
Joined: 12 Aug 2002 Posts: 19
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Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2002 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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is there nobody out there who has acces (perhaps to the official gentoo servers) to a server and is willing to add there a (cron or something like that) script, which just creates isos of all available gentoo packages and puts them online?
I'd be really nice for people (especially young people (i'm 17)) to be able to get the isos somewhere, 'cause young people usually dont have the possibility to get adsl for themselves
MFG Peschmä |
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klieber Bodhisattva
Joined: 17 Apr 2002 Posts: 3657 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2002 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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peschmae wrote: | is there nobody out there who has acces (perhaps to the official gentoo servers) to a server and is willing to add there a (cron or something like that) script, which just creates isos of all available gentoo packages and puts them online? |
And this does exactly what? You still have to download the ISOs, so at some point, you have to find a broadband connection somewhere or have a lot of patience with your modem connection.
So, since you still have to download a wholelot of something, why are ISOs so important when you can use the script mentioned above to generate a targeted list of only those files that you really need? That uses bandwidth more efficiently, takes less time to download and seems to be a much better solution.
So, I'll ask again, why are ISOs so important?
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felysium n00b
Joined: 27 May 2002 Posts: 43 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2002 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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klieber wrote: | peschmae wrote: | is there nobody out there who has acces (perhaps to the official gentoo servers) to a server and is willing to add there a (cron or something like that) script, which just creates isos of all available gentoo packages and puts them online? |
And this does exactly what? You still have to download the ISOs, so at some point, you have to find a broadband connection somewhere or have a lot of patience with your modem connection.
So, since you still have to download a wholelot of something, why are ISOs so important when you can use the script mentioned above to generate a targeted list of only those files that you really need? That uses bandwidth more efficiently, takes less time to download and seems to be a much better solution.
So, I'll ask again, why are ISOs so important?
--kurt |
Because with the traditional install method you'll have to download through your own local connection. With ISO's, people could download the ISO at a place with fast internet and burn it to cd, bring the cd to their own computer and install... |
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klieber Bodhisattva
Joined: 17 Apr 2002 Posts: 3657 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2002 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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felysium wrote: | Because with the traditional install method you'll have to download through your own local connection. |
Says who? The script I pointed to earlier generates a list of files that can be used, along with wget, on any linux or windows computer. Download the tarballs, burn them to CD and copy them over to your freshly-installed stage 3 gentoo box.
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maxpower n00b
Joined: 07 Aug 2002 Posts: 65 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2002 5:32 am Post subject: Sources |
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I think it should also be mentioned that all of the source files are readily available from the gentoo homepage by clicking the appropriate miiror. Then you could download all of the sources you wanted and burn it to an cd. If you have burning software to burn an ISO then you should be able to burn the separate source packages. |
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peschmae n00b
Joined: 12 Aug 2002 Posts: 19
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Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2002 11:13 am Post subject: |
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ouups, yes, you're right ...
but there stays the problem that without ISOs you can't get a linux distributor (like http://www.net-store.ch) to sell cds with the tarballs...
thanks peschmä |
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royger n00b
Joined: 09 Aug 2002 Posts: 19 Location: Catalunya
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Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2002 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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My final question is: will there be a sources cd with gentoo1.4 or not?
53% peolpe voted Yes, so i think is time to make a minimum source cd with Xfree, KDE, Gnome and other big packages (i know that ppp & kppp are not big packages but i think it may be added too ) |
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klieber Bodhisattva
Joined: 17 Apr 2002 Posts: 3657 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2002 12:33 am Post subject: |
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royger wrote: | Yes, so i think is time to make a minimum source cd with Xfree, KDE, Gnome and other big packages |
Great! Thanks for volunteering!
--kurt _________________ The problem with political jokes is that they get elected |
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wilbertnl Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 01 Jul 2002 Posts: 89 Location: Tulsa, OK, USA
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Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2002 3:35 am Post subject: Keep Gentoo with source basic |
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It would be interesting to get a source CD available.
But I suggest to keep the source selection very basic. Like text based applications, vim, lynx (or w3m?) xfree-4.2 would be okay too, because they don't release updates very often.
The point is: I would avoid sources of applications which are released every other day. _________________ Wilbert van Bakel
Strive for excellence, not perfection |
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delta407 Bodhisattva
Joined: 23 Apr 2002 Posts: 2876 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:20 am Post subject: |
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You could always go to a Gentoo box and:
Code: | # mkdir ~/sources_cd
# cd ~/sources_cd
# emerge rsync
# rm /usr/portage/distfiles/*
# tar cjf /usr/portage portage-tree.tbz2
# emerge --fetchonly --emptytree system xfree links vim ...
# cp -r /usr/portage/distfiles ./
# mkisofs -o ~/sources_cd.iso * |
Then kindly post the sources_cd.iso to some FTP somewhere, tell the Gentoo developer's mailing list about it, and be done with it.
(BTW, links is better than lynx in a whole lot of ways. https support, menus, mouse support, a real layout engine that deals intelligently with things like tables, etc. Check it out.) _________________ I don't believe in witty sigs. |
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royger n00b
Joined: 09 Aug 2002 Posts: 19 Location: Catalunya
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2002 9:49 pm Post subject: Sources CD |
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tomorrow im gonna install gentoo, (i will take my pc to a adsl 256/128 connection), i will intall Gentoo 1.4beta if all goes well . When i finish i will try to make a sources CD, but my server is on an adsl 256/128 connection, so i cant put the image there, people will saturate my server, and the connection only accepts 14kbps of upload. I need a ftp server to upload the image, does anyone have one?
[royger]
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klieber Bodhisattva
Joined: 17 Apr 2002 Posts: 3657 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2002 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: Sources CD |
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royger wrote: | I need a ftp server to upload the image, does anyone have one? |
Royger -- PM me when you get the completed ISO and we'll work something out.
--kurt _________________ The problem with political jokes is that they get elected |
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DArtagnan l33t
Joined: 30 Apr 2002 Posts: 942 Location: Israel, Jerusalem
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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2002 6:10 am Post subject: Re: Sources CD |
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klieber wrote: | royger wrote: | I need a ftp server to upload the image, does anyone have one? |
Royger -- PM me when you get the completed ISO and we'll work something out.
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A host can be added in Israel too on my own host.
For news contact me: pacman@huji.ac.il
( from today 5/09 till 28/09 I'll be in vacation but after it, will be possible to make a mirror of this ISO in Israel too )
Best regards,
Liviu _________________ All for one and one for All
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royger n00b
Joined: 09 Aug 2002 Posts: 19 Location: Catalunya
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2002 11:57 pm Post subject: Finished! |
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Well i think i have a good sources cd, with XFree, wvdial, ppp, KDE, FluxBox...I have done a iso of my /usr/portage/ dir, and i did stage1, so maybe u can make a stage1 with this iso *not sure*. I think i have convince my parents to buy adsl , so i could update the sources cd.
Now i need the ftp to upload it, i think the image is about 600MB.
Thank's to all in your interest of making a sources cd!
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klieber Bodhisattva
Joined: 17 Apr 2002 Posts: 3657 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2002 12:11 am Post subject: Re: Finished! |
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royger wrote: | Now i need the ftp to upload it, i think the image is about 600MB. |
Royger -- as I said, send me a PM and we'll work something out. I've got tons of bandwidth on the server and am happy to host the ISO for you.
Also, can you please reduce the size of that sig image? It's pretty big.
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royger n00b
Joined: 09 Aug 2002 Posts: 19 Location: Catalunya
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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2002 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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What's a PM? |
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klieber Bodhisattva
Joined: 17 Apr 2002 Posts: 3657 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2002 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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royger wrote: | What's a PM? |
Private Message. Hence the "pm" icon at the bottom of every post, next to "profile".
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