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lfs0a
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 Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:42 am Post subject: Graphics Poll:How is your Intel graphics doing? |
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I have a W500,the ATI graphics is long dead,luckily the integrated GMA X4500 still works. 
Lately I found tearing happend when I scrolling not just on firefox,never saw that happen before,so it should be relate to recent updates.
I did some google,and find out some new intel integrated graphics ship with CPU causing tearing too.
So I'm wondering which intel integrated graphics works flawlessly with gentoo.
So tell me your intel integrated graphics and your WM and how does it work.
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Extreme 845 + xfce4 - OK but did not try WebGL, chances are it will not work.
GMA 950 + xfce4 - works fine but fails WebGL
GMA 3100 + xfce4 - worked fine before I gave away, no continuing complaints
GMA X3000 + Gnome3 - Works fine, though have problems with machine, never tried WebGL.
GMA 4500 + xfce4 - works fine though did not try WebGL
HD Graphics 3000 + xfce4 - worked fine last time I tried it though using a RadeonHD now.
HD Graphics 4000 + xfce4 and Gnome - works fine, think WebGL works.
Dunno, seems to work okay, just a lot of them are too slow for real time rendering of PixelCity (part of x11-misc/rss-glx). I don't use compositing on xfce4.
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lfs0a
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| Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| eccerr0r wrote: | Extreme 845 + xfce4 - OK but did not try WebGL, chances are it will not work.
GMA 950 + xfce4 - works fine but fails WebGL
GMA 3100 + xfce4 - worked fine before I gave away, no continuing complaints
GMA X3000 + Gnome3 - Works fine, though have problems with machine, never tried WebGL.
GMA 4500 + xfce4 - works fine though did not try WebGL
HD Graphics 3000 + xfce4 - worked fine last time I tried it though using a RadeonHD now.
HD Graphics 4000 + xfce4 and Gnome - works fine, think WebGL works.
Dunno, seems to work okay, just a lot of them are too slow for real time rendering of PixelCity (part of x11-misc/rss-glx). I don't use compositing on xfce4. |
Wow,eccerrOr,you got 7!!!!!!
xfce4 works fine with my X4500 too,is this because no compositing on xfce4? |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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Don't know, for 2D in general, GMA works fine IMHO.
moving windows around, scrolling, seems snappy. Just that 3D blows chunks in general.
You can enable compositing in xfce4, it's in the window manager tweaks settings. I disabled it as there was a reason I use xfce4, and eye candy is not the reason. On the other hand Gnome3 works fine which has compositing enabled by default.
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Clevo W230SS laptop here with NVIDIA Optimus including:
| Code: | | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06) |
Video (including compositing) works fine in KDE Plasma and KWin with x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel driver.
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Yeah, just tested - compositing works fine on my GMA950. On the other hand, Youtube and other videos are kind of choppy on it IIRC, mostly viewable but struggles.
Also verified that WebGL works on my GMA4500. A little choppy but works. I don't know why my GMA950 stopped working, I could have sworn that it worked at some point - I do recall seeing the webgl aquarium working on it, slowly.
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| eccerr0r wrote: | Yeah, just tested - compositing works fine on my GMA950. On the other hand, Youtube and other videos are kind of choppy on it IIRC, mostly viewable but struggles.
Also verified that WebGL works on my GMA4500. A little choppy but works. I don't know why my GMA950 stopped working, I could have sworn that it worked at some point - I do recall seeing the webgl aquarium working on it, slowly. |
Thanks for the test, so if your GMAs works fine,then my 4500 should be broken.  |
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lfs0a
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| Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Fitzcarraldo wrote: | Clevo W230SS laptop here with NVIDIA Optimus including:
| Code: | | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06) |
Video (including compositing) works fine in KDE Plasma and KWin with x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel driver. |
Great,thanks for the reply! |
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Ant P.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| i945 + Openbox + picom, no tearing, but it hangs trying to play most videos in firefox (it used to work a long time ago, plus they mostly work fine in mpv). |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:21 am Post subject: |
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Thinkpad T400 here (GMA 4500)
Works fine, no tearing if using an alternative compositor (picom for example)
No issues playing youtube HD content (of course, do not even think about 60fps videos..) for example but it is better to rely on mpv or using gtk-straw-viewer or similar as the youtube interface is a huge javascript pile of shit.
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lfs0a
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| Ant P. wrote: | | i945 + Openbox + picom, no tearing, but it hangs trying to play most videos in firefox (it used to work a long time ago, plus they mostly work fine in mpv). |
Thanks for reply,Ant P. |
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| Ant P. wrote: | | i945 + Openbox + picom, no tearing, but it hangs trying to play most videos in firefox (it used to work a long time ago, plus they mostly work fine in mpv). |
WebGL working for you? (BTW, my GMA950 is a i945GM ... so should be mostly same device. What bothers me is that I thought the documentation for Firefox is that they don't blacklist on Linux but apparently they do - and the GMA950 is lacking in something though it *was* fine or at least emulated a few patches ago...)
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lfs0a
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| sdauth wrote: | Thinkpad T400 here (GMA 4500)
Works fine, no tearing if using an alternative compositor (picom for example)
No issues playing youtube HD content (of course, do not even think about 60fps videos..) for example but it is better to rely on mpv or using gtk-straw-viewer or similar as the youtube interface is a huge javascript pile of shit. |
What is your WM?
I try picom with kwin,fixed tearing but less sharp when scrolling.
Now I know my X4500 is not broken. |
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lfs0a
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Ant P. wrote: | | i945 + Openbox + picom, no tearing, but it hangs trying to play most videos in firefox (it used to work a long time ago, plus they mostly work fine in mpv). |
Ant P.
If you don't use picom,will there be tearing? |
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sdauth
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| lfs0a wrote: | What is your WM?
I try picom with kwin,fixed tearing but less sharp when scrolling.
Now I know my X4500 is not broken. |
I use xfce. (It works also fine with openbox)
picom is started with the following :
| Code: | | picom -CGb --config /dev/null --vsync --backend glx --unredir-if-possible --glx-no-stencil --no-fading-openclose |
One thing to consider is to create a keyboard shortcut to disable/enable compositor when you run fullscreen apps (like Kodi for example) or games. (mame suffers from framedrop when comp is enabled on this ancient hw) |
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| Had a laptop with a i5 4210U until very recently (just sold it), worked fine with Gnome. |
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lfs0a
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| saboya wrote: | | Had a laptop with a i5 4210U until very recently (just sold it), worked fine with Gnome. |
That sounds great! |
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lfs0a
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| sdauth wrote: | | lfs0a wrote: | What is your WM?
I try picom with kwin,fixed tearing but less sharp when scrolling.
Now I know my X4500 is not broken. |
I use xfce. (It works also fine with openbox)
picom is started with the following :
| Code: | | picom -CGb --config /dev/null --vsync --backend glx --unredir-if-possible --glx-no-stencil --no-fading-openclose |
One thing to consider is to create a keyboard shortcut to disable/enable compositor when you run fullscreen apps (like Kodi for example) or games. (mame suffers from framedrop when comp is enabled on this ancient hw) |
On my W500,there is no tearing with xfce |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Both my old HP DV6 and a recently acquired T480 work perfectly fine and without tearing, using KDE Plasma+Kwin
| Code: | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller |
| Code: | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 620 (rev 07)
Subsystem: Lenovo ThinkPad T480 |
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I've never really experienced "tearing" or at least had to suffer through it.
I think I witness "tearing" when I use, say, the VESA driver on any hardware. The driver is so slow I see the cpu struggling to update the screen so I can see it partially updating, sort of a tear in the picture... is this the underlying problem here?
I'll never use the VESA driver when I can avoid it. Unacceptable for day to day operation, only good in emergencies.
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I specifically select all my systems to have intel hardware for graphics, wireless, etc.. I like them because the drivers are all open and part of the mainline kernel, apart from some firmware of course.
All of them are working great, the only exception is that the VGA port on my laptop somehow stopped working, it's not even detected as an output.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| eccerr0r wrote: | | Ant P. wrote: | | i945 + Openbox + picom, no tearing, but it hangs trying to play most videos in firefox (it used to work a long time ago, plus they mostly work fine in mpv). |
WebGL working for you? (BTW, my GMA950 is a i945GM ... so should be mostly same device. What bothers me is that I thought the documentation for Firefox is that they don't blacklist on Linux but apparently they do - and the GMA950 is lacking in something though it *was* fine or at least emulated a few patches ago...) |
It needs OpenGL 2.1 for that. The driver only supports 1.4 by default but there was a way to force it I can't recall (maybe i915g). |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Well, something happened. I was sure it worked at some point and was able to see the aquarium webgl demo, specifically because I knew that machine was slow to compare it to the others... and it worked, slowly, and that's all that mattered.
except now it doesn't work anymore :-(
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| Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Hotblack wrote: | Both my old HP DV6 and a recently acquired T480 work perfectly fine and without tearing, using KDE Plasma+Kwin
| Code: | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller |
| Code: | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 620 (rev 07)
Subsystem: Lenovo ThinkPad T480 |
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Sounds good,thanks for reply,Hotblack. |
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lfs0a
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| Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| eccerr0r wrote: | Well, something happened. I was sure it worked at some point and was able to see the aquarium webgl demo, specifically because I knew that machine was slow to compare it to the others... and it worked, slowly, and that's all that mattered.
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It should be code changed?
My W500 didn't encounter tearing before too. |
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