Japanese Input under GTK2

rcxAsh · Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:08 am Post subject:

Sorry to wake this slightly older thread, but I just want to say thanks for the guide. Also, I have a question. How can I use this with Mozilla Firefox?

The quote below is from the im-ja website:

noathustra · Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 6:02 am Post subject:

I use uim for Japanese input and it works well with firefox/mozilla.
I have:

rcxAsh · Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:45 am Post subject:

Thanks for the info! It's working now! And even better, uim has more support for other languages too. So you've managed to help me kill two birds with one stone. I now have Chinese input support too. Thanks!

However, the thing currently is that shift+space starts it off in "pinyin-big-5" How can I switch it to hiragana without having to set environment variables and such?
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noathustra · Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:51 am Post subject:

I haven't installed Chinese support so I can't be much help directly.

I highly recommend the following page which is what I used when I was setting up input methods.

http://home.no.net/david/i18n.php

rcxAsh · Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:48 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the link.

I am currently still plucking away at it. I just tried installing SCIM... but I can't get it to work.

The issue for me currently neither Japanese nor Chinese are my native languages. However, I want to make sure that I can use them both.

But after reading some of the documentation, it seems that when you set up the software, you need to pick a conversion engine. Eg, Anthy. However, these seem to be exclusively Japanese or Chinese. I so it seems that I won't be able to switch languages without shutting down the program, resetting the environment variable and then relaunching the application.

I was hoping that I could do something like I do in Windows. Just click the language icon and select what language I want to use.

It seems like it should be possible, because I saw this screenshot of SCIM in action:
http://ns.turbolinux.com.cn/~suzhe/scim/screenshots/snapshot14.png

I have no clue how to access this menu. If I right click on the SCIM icon that appears in the system tray and choose setup, it lists all those input methods as installed. But I have no clue how to access them.

Pressing ctrl+space doesn't do anything. Once and only once, it opened the SCIM tool bar (but it was still exclusively Chinese). I'm not sure how I got it to appear. But now no more.

This is getting very confusing. It seems that all the documentation out there is geared to making one exclusive language work.

Will continue to poke around...

EDIT
Note, I can change between Japanese and Chinese input methods on the fly with UIM via GTK2's context menu. However, again, the issue was that Mozilla's software do not have this menu.

Is there a hotkey to switch between these?
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Duty · Apprentice Joined: 15 Nov 2003 Posts: 253

This is display rather then input, but have any Epiphany/other Moz based browser users had a problem in which when Japanese and non-japanese text are mixed, the Japanese is invisible unless highlighted (and even then, only one block of uninterrupted Japanese at a time is visible) ?

I've been living with the glitch so long, through Epiphany 1.0-1.2 and GTK 2.2-2.4, that I'm almost past conciously noticing it by now. Going to completely reinstall soon, so that may fix it, but I'd like to know if anyone else encountered this behavior.

Sudrien · Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:31 am Post subject:

*covers ears and chants "this thread is not dead, this thread is not dead"*

The problem with mixed languages probably has to do with the encoding. Anything other then Unicode (read: UTF8) is likely to have overlapping or missing characters. If encoding isn't explicitly redefined (which I am sure is possible, although not often done), It is not supprising that Mozilla would stick with its first guess.

noathustra - the mirrored text problem should be corrected in 1.2
(http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=4776612&forum_id=29602)

I did get im-ja/OpenOffice working at one point, but have cleared the system since. Believe I got it from dropping the utf8 or somthing. Should try again soon.

-Sud.
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an9n · n00b Joined: 24 Jan 2004 Posts: 42

My choice of Japanese Input is hands down Uim, or uim-anthy to be precise.

emerge [your dictionary of choice, i.e. canna etc]
emerge app-i18n/anthy
emerge app-i18n/uim

set gtk-immodule="uim-anthy" in your bash_profile, startx and your done.

Sudrien · Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:14 pm Post subject:

Getting errors from im-ja-conf when compling with GCC 3.4.x?

See https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57349

-Sud

gabor · Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:07 pm Post subject:

i use uim + anthy.

anthy:
no special reason, i could use canna as well....

uim:
first i tried im-ja...
well..it has a nice gui to configure it and so on,
but it has several problems (at least it had
4-5months ago ):
1. in gaim, pressing ENTERwhen doing jpn input does not work ( it sends the text immediately, so im-ja cannot turn it into kanji ). a workaround is to set gaim to use ctrl+enter instead.... uim does not have this problem
2. i sometimes use a slovak keyboard layout, where i 'combine' characters...means i press [=] and after that i press [a], and it becomes [Ã¡]. this does not work with im-ja... it works with uim.

an additional bonus for uim is that mlterm supports it directly.
i really enjoy entering japanese into a terminal app,
i am using gnome, and as you know, gnome-term is an unusable application, and in the rest of the apps, the only way was to use XIM (which sux

). but now with uim, i can use mlterm nicely

as i said i use gnome, means i use the gtk2 toolkit mostly, where the uim input module takes care of everything.
as a terminal app i use mlterm, which also has direct binding to mlterm.
firefox also works well (it does not allow you to change the input module, but that's ok, because i use GTK_IM_MODULE="uim-anthy" all the time).

the only 'problematic' app is OpenOffice, which only talks XIM

.

well, there is one problem with uim:
if you use it's xim mode:
you have to set your locale to japanese.

that's a big problem for me, because i use en_US.UTF-8 locale.

but as i wrote, i only have to use XIM in openoffice. i can live with that

if anyone needs more specific instructions about setting uim up, just say

btw. uim is configured by $HOME/.uim, which uses a lisp-like syntax...

the only customizations i use are:
i changed the shortcut to enable/disable uim, and the switch-hiragana/katakana key.

Sudrien · Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:49 am Post subject:

Hopefully, this thread's first anniversary will lead to its replacement.

Since I've recently switched to kde 3.3.1, I'm currently investigating the -immqt USE flag and its implications. Or, more specifically, looking at scim-qtimm, uim, and anthy.

Though this outline will work fine for most GTK2-based applications, the next one will be the kinput2 killer. I hope.

-Sud.

EDIT: Bugs 70501 & 70502 filed after research. This will definately be easier then it was a few months ago.

camillo · n00b Joined: 30 Sep 2003 Posts: 45 Location: Torino, Italy

I'm having some problem with im-jp and uim.
I have tried both of them but in the input methods There is no japanese.
I have followed all the instruction...
can be a gnome problem? Even if I delete all the entries in /etc/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules the input methods avviable desn't change. Is possible that I have to modify another file?
Thanks Camillo

Solved I have to edit also those two files

Sudrien · Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 4:10 pm Post subject:

camillo · n00b Joined: 30 Sep 2003 Posts: 45 Location: Torino, Italy

Same as yours 644 owner root...

Sudrien · Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:32 pm Post subject:

This thread is now depreciated, in favor of a cross-DE method. 6526 views - a good run.

Japanese Input (in KDE & Gnome)

-Sud.

EDIT: Moved from DT&T. --pjp
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