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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:48 pm    Post subject: The Interferrence problem problem? Reply with quote

I think I found a plot hole.
Take it for what it is.

How can we detect...I iterrate detect a difference in the pattern if conscousness is a factor? Have we tricked God? The super illusionist of all that is.
If awareness and supervision makes a state of matter (electrons) differ if conscousness is in the picture, how can we see it differ?
If it does, we have a part answer to what God is up to. I mean, how can we see matter when it's not in the sphere of awareness?

My inspiration 4-5 minutes in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT7SiRiqK-Q
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: The Interferrence problem problem? Reply with quote

patrix_neo wrote:
I mean, how can we see matter when it's not in the sphere of awareness


And does the moon only exist when you look at it ?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put an electron cannon at that thang and then close your eyes. If you hear a beep from the detector, you're good.
Else you will experience a tellus evolving it's axel in about 45 minutes. Wobbeling...as if it had a pint!

...you have probably not understood my theorem.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

patrix_neo wrote:
if you hear a beep from the detector,


Still a form of observation.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said was, how can you detect the difference? ...ah, I think you know not but do what you are doing. God bless you and a half a vodka Absolut!
(Tryin to save your soary arse here!)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought alcohol might be involved :)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lens of truth...
It's an interferrence problem
If someone has the answer to why we can see what we shouldn't see I am open for it.
For me it is a true problem.

My answer is, we hacked God.

EDIT: I just talked with my consiglieri, the nihilistic god - There is no why. Just had to nod and say that's how shit it is.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: The Interferrence problem problem? Reply with quote

John-Boy wrote:
patrix_neo wrote:
I mean, how can we see matter when it's not in the sphere of awareness


And does the moon only exist when you look at it ?


What is the sound of one gum flapping?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've said what I thought. Laugh and make a gag of it or what not. Maybe, just maybe I tought something out wrong. I wouldn't bet on it though.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patrix don't forget about Schrödinger. If you are unaware of a state then multiple realities are valid. Also the awareness is not an absolute term. One might be blind but can hear. Others can be distracted by various phenomena and not fully aware of the phenomena of your interest. Does it mean that they do not happen? No they just might not be fully experienced in their reality. Finally we are limited by our neuronal network. As pangalactic beings we often might conceive far cosmic events just on the edge of our perception. Others might happen without noticing but they still happen.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:08 am    Post subject: Re: The Interferrence problem problem? Reply with quote

patrix_neo wrote:
If awareness and supervision makes a state of matter (electrons) differ if conscousness is in the picture, how can we see it differ?


You must pay attention to the dissident electrons. For that, you must get the windowwasherdroid: https://sourceforge.net/projects/windowwasher/

Quote:
Many shocking revelations have come to light. In the words of
Prof. Cyd Butcher, (No blood relative) head of televisual laboratory
research at the DuckSoft Institute, in his highly regarded paper "The
Psychology of Electrons."
"It has been discovered that because the electrons shooting
out of the electron gun, is such a traumatic experience that the
effect can be quite dramatically disturb the electrons
psychologically. They become obsessed with the idea of individuality,
earthquakes and the ego state. They become unstable, and a small few
suicidal. These unfortunate sub-atomic particles deliberately try to
break out of the electron beam in an attempt to create a personal
sense of freedom. Consequently they go careering off at the wrong
angle, breaking under the magnetic stresses into smaller particles
quantum physicists are either yet to discover or haven't got around to
naming yet. The name for these remains is 'post-paranoic meson/muon
residue'."
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

e3k wrote:

Also the awareness is not an absolute term. One might be blind but can hear. Others can be distracted by various phenomena and not fully aware of the phenomena of your interest.


Sorry if I take your saying out of context abit, but that would be crazy(!) nice to try; put a blind person in the same room as the canon and see what happens. I hope that has been done already.


@Dminique_71
At times I don't know if scientific thinkers are bonkers or not, but that one is hilarious! Anarchistic electrons breaking free (screw rules!)...of course this could be a way to look at what's going on.

I guess penrose has somewhat a way of thinking in those terms at times like in this interview by Lex Friedman
It's not about the interferrence problem as much but, at a period in, more about how matter works
Content:

00:0 - Introduction
3:51 - 2001: A Space Odyssey
9:43 - Consciousness and computation
23:45 - What does it mean to "understand"
31:37 - What's missing in quantum mechanics?
40:09 - Whatever consciousness is, it's not a computation
44:13 - Source of consciousness in the human brain
1:02:57 - Infinite cycles of big bangs
1:22:05 - Most beautiful idea in mathematics
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