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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:04 pm    Post subject: EU referendum (part 3) Post General Election Reply with quote

Ok, so now we have an answer, I wanted a clean break - but we've got the current deal and a large enough majority to carry it.


So, thoughts ?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John-Boy wrote:
Ok, so now we have an answer, I wanted a clean break - but we've got the current deal and a large enough majority to carry it.


So, thoughts ?

Well I want a clean break and the way the EU is imploding its for the best. The deal was needed with a minority govn and too many europhiles in the party.

They have been removed, likewise every single MP that changed party (and didn't call a by election ) have not been re-elected.
The speaker is more neutral and he will need to stay that way to repair the damage done by berclow (otherwise convention will need to be written into law... Foundation of a constitution)

What I would like to see is two bills put forward.
Clean break - yes/no
Deal - yes/no
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brexit haven't happen yet.
Good and best wishes though
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no deal until everything is agreed.

The EU offer is a stopgap to ease the transition.
It will be several years before everything is agreed ... even then, there will be continued evolution of agreements.
The UK could yet leave the EU at the end of 2020 without any deal.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
there will be continued evolution of agreements.
Reminded me of "Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in." -- Michael Corleone
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
There is no deal until everything is agreed.

The EU offer is a stopgap to ease the transition.
It will be several years before everything is agreed ... even then, there will be continued evolution of agreements.
The UK could yet leave the EU at the end of 2020 without any deal.


The problem is this transitional treaty will bind NI as long as want (one good thing about this GE is Sien Fein had also been cut), assuming it is signed into law.

That aside, remainers are still trying .
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1216728/Gina-Miller-Boris-Johnson-Remainers-Brexit-election-news-latest
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
NeddySeagoon wrote:
there will be continued evolution of agreements.
Reminded me of "Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in." -- Michael Corleone


Pretymuch :)
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.euronews.com/2019/12/13/europe-reacts-put-brexit-deal-to-vote-as-soon-as-possible-says-eu
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"I don't think that you can have a strong relationship with Europe's single market with substantial regulatory differences on climate, environmental, economic or social regulations,"


bye bye
NI and Scotland are just excuses, the problem is access to the common market. The UK failed to implement the "regulatory convergence" until now ... how are they going to explain the after the brexit the UK must adapt to the EU regulations or be cut off the common market?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The EU is scared
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The EU is scared
yup... there were some statements over the last 3years that the EU feared the UK being unshackled. The EU played the games, being all hardball, never giving a reason to stay, never reforming... only themselves to blame.

Now the problem comes from the actual deal... if there are sellouts in the UK, they could cripple the UK so much so that we will beg to rejoin because the UK+EU made it unlivable to exist outside.
Hopefully this doesn't occur but it speaks volumes that if a trading bloc has to such things, they are not really interested in trade
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1218652/brexit-news-guy-verhofstadt-threatens-brexit-deadline-january-31-eu-parliament-consent

And they cant help themselves...
Interesting point, the UK has in place such stuff and it is EU citizens that are not signing up (I know because my German neighbor is refusing) WHILE it is only Spain that has offered any sort of post Brexit protection for expats, in spain
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those authoritarians in Brussels are gonna teach you ignorant Brexiteers a lesson!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
Those authoritarians in Brussels are gonna teach you ignorant Brexiteers a lesson!


Jokes on them, everyone hates sprouts even at christmas.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeEe4neYy6g

Interesting historic video when Thatcher slated the ERM, the pre-cursor to the Euro with all the same problems... Its interesting what actually kicked off the issue of UK inflation rate skyrocketing and it was Germany loans to finance the re-unification as the ERM forced the inflation to all other nations.

Sound familiar? its the same with the transfer ruble and ... the Euro ... (an article that is still relevant) https://gefira.org/en/2018/09/15/all-euros-gravitate-to-germany/


What was the Euro a good idea? why was political unification a good idea? the EEC made sense.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naib,

Here's a link for our younger readers who did not have the opportunity of learning by living through the events.
Its a reminder to those that missed the learning opportunity too. I won't forget my mortgage rate reaching 17%, if only for a few days.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes.... Luckily I was in council accomodation when that kicked off (my aunty hit her savings hard for that small window )

It wasn't until years later that I learnt of the snowball effect caused by the attempted shackling together different economies. Look where we are now. I always refer people back to then when they say we should join the Euro. It is also why the SNP wants Stirling
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MPs back Boris Johnson's bill
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A majority of 124 and with the last minute amendments (like no more extensions etc...) While the Tories have a majority of 80. Interesting 48 (assuming no Tory rebels ) from other parties
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A majority of 124 and with the last minute amendments (like no more extensions etc...) While the Tories have a majority of 80. Interesting 48 (assuming no Tory rebels ) from other parties


They are finally realizing that the people just want it over with.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/five-times-more-demand-for-uk-exports-from-outside-the-eu
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The right solution is for the UK to leave the EU, for Scotland to leave the UK, and for Wales to leave Great Britain.

Then, everybody who has their shit together than be carefully selected to become part of the Grand Unified Welsh Commonwealth.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
The right solution is for the UK to leave the EU, for Scotland to leave the UK, and for Wales to leave Great Britain.

Then, everybody who has their shit together than be carefully selected to become part of the Grand Unified Welsh Commonwealth.
The Commonwealth symbol could be a sheep rancher in rubber boots, with a satisfied ewe in the background.
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Old School wrote:
Bones McCracker wrote:
The right solution is for the UK to leave the EU, for Scotland to leave the UK, and for Wales to leave Great Britain.

Then, everybody who has their shit together than be carefully selected to become part of the Grand Unified Welsh Commonwealth.
The Commonwealth symbol could be a sheep rancher in rubber boots, with a satisfied ewe in the background.


You forgot the cliff edge.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker,

We have already seen that the SNP does very well in Scotland when it comes to elections for Westminster but when push comes to shove, their support stops short of independence.
Queen Nicola is just trying to make a name for herself.

If there is another independence referendum because the SNP didn't like the answer they got the first time, I'll be voting against independence again.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muso wrote:
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Well, tbh, I personally think that people in mediterranean will be relieved if EU assplodes. It was only a good thing for germans, belgians, etc etc. Ofc, our political elites who sold their arseholes decades ago will be worried, but fuck them.
But its fucking 4th reich, for sure, I mean they tried to forbid local populace to fish at their respective coasts, while a swede can go out in the summer and commit marine genocide, except if he fishes on private lake, which he can pay like 15-20 euro and fish 5-6 kilo of fish or some such. Still cheaper and fresher than supermarket, also hobby, etc etc. Everything is monetized, and we know how one-directional profits are.
Pft. Germans. We've seen them before.
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